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I love Venus, but give Alicia some credit girl

I watched the match and it was excellent from start to finish - Venus and Alicia were both fantastic. Why can't Venus hold her hands up and say - Alicia played amazing, dealt with the situation and playing in front of a home crowd well, took it to the Top 10 player and won fair and square. But no, she can barely spit out a compliment:

Q. You were always in the match, weren't you?
VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah, I definitely didn't produce my best tennis today, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I definitely should have won.

Q. How is her first serve and her second serve? How does that rank in terms of serves you've played against recently?
VENUS WILLIAMS: She has a good serve.

Q. Do you sense a lot of change in her game the last year, two years or so?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Obviously she's playing better. But I just didn't play that well. So normally if I'm playing 5% better, this match is going to be mine. You know, I'll definitely come back in the next tournament, the next event, and I'm definitely going to play better. No doubt.

Q. Can you see Alicia Molik winning this tournament?

VENUS WILLIAMS: You know, it's out of my hands now.

Q. Do you think she's capable?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I kind of want Serena to win, so. That's my horse now.

Q. Does Alicia have the game to trouble Lindsay Davenport?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Well, Lindsay's No. 1 in the world right now. That certainly says a lot about her tennis. So, you know, it will be a good match.


I absolutely love the Williams sisters, so I am not a Williams-hater by any means, but it frustrates me that they cannot seem to give opponents credit when credit is due.

Guess that's what makes them true stars - cos they are marvellous and infuriating all at once!!!

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Q. You were always in the match, weren't you?
VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah, I definitely didn't produce my best tennis today, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I definitely should have won.
It was a match Venus SHOULD have won. She's right about that.

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Q. How is her first serve and her second serve? How does that rank in terms of serves you've played against recently?
VENUS WILLIAMS: She has a good serve.
Seems like a compliment here.



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Q. Do you think she's capable?

VENUS WILLIAMS: I kind of want Serena to win, so. That's my horse now.
Let's see. Venus just lost to this player and the media, probably Australian heavy, want something more out of Venus than she's willing to give and more than she should. So I like her answer here. Truthful isn't alway something people like. Why should she give Molik anything more than the win over her?

And what's funny is how people, fans here, some in the media think Venus is through, yet why this question about Molik winning it all only after she's beaten a "through" and "done" Venus? Great answers Venus.

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It's not a question that she doesn't give credit (because she often does), but it's more about the fact that she's delusional.

"I would play 5% better and I would win."

Rigggggggggght.
If Venus had converted another break point it could have (and probably would have) changed the outcome of the match. If she had played 5 % better maybe she would have converted it .

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What's so delusional about it? :confused; That she can't improve 5% more than her current level of playing? Well the potential is there. It's not like she didn't win slams before. Or are you implying even if she have improved 5% on last nights match she still would have lost? The number of points were so close, she had given so may break point opportunities, that 5% would have made a big difference.

As to arrogance, giving credit, blah blah, go and freaking read Alicia's interview. Yeah, she did give Venus a credit, and acknowledged that Venus is not playing to her normal, dominating level, and didn't attempt to spin the win has all to do with Alicia's level of playing, right? Rigggggggght.
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Originally Posted by Mark Newman
I watched the match and it was excellent from start to finish - Venus and Alicia were both fantastic. Why can't Venus hold her hands up and say - Alicia played amazing, dealt with the situation and playing in front of a home crowd well, took it to the Top 10 player and won fair and square. But no, she can barely spit out a compliment:

Q. You were always in the match, weren't you?
VENUS WILLIAMS: Yeah, I definitely didn't produce my best tennis today, that's for sure. It was definitely a match I definitely should have won.

Q. Do you sense a lot of change in her game the last year, two years or so?

VENUS WILLIAMS: Obviously she's playing better. But I just didn't play that well. So normally if I'm playing 5% better, this match is going to be mine. You know, I'll definitely come back in the next tournament, the next event, and I'm definitely going to play better. No doubt.

Guess that's what makes them true stars - cos they are marvellous and infuriating all at once!!!
I agree with you, Mark, at least to a certain extent. First of all, the match has been a very good one. The quality has been quite high throughout the whole match, and that's not been easy to find in women's tennis recently. I knew Alicia had raised her level, I'd seen her play often recently... and she had chances going into this match today, but I was afraid the situation - playing at home, tough opponent, nerves - could have been too much to handle. Instead, Alicia kept her level high, fought hard, stayed focused and confident. And she came out the winner.

As for Venus' comments: her best tennis is probably what earned her Slam titles a few years ago, when she was totally dominating the game for at least half a season a year... and it's true, she's not playing that kind of tennis, right now... but she hasn't for a while, it must be said. I think she has it in herself, and she's definitely been improving, for the little I can see. And this match will probably make her want to work harder and harder.

The 5% consideration... it's been a close match, 7-5, 7-6, and the difference was made by Alicia just when it was needed the most, on the big points... do it's probably true, had Venus played a little better at those times, it could have ended the other way round... still, today she wasn't able to play that 5% better, and I think Mark is right... it would be so much nicer if she had given a little more credit to Alicia, who's pretty much achieved one of her biggest wins ever!

Having said this, loads of respect for BOTH players who've given us tennis fans a great match!! Vee and Alicia!

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How can one play 5% higher/better/more without working on her game on her game or reducing her errors? The fact that she is not satisfied with the way she played in the match should imply that she understand that she has to work on her game, not the inverse.

As I said, from watching the statistics (didn't watch the match), it seems a pretty close match and 5% better from Venus could have made her a winner. But, whatever.
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Venus really let herself down in this interview. It sounds like Serena not Venus. There is one thing I always think makes Venus a great champion is that after a defeat she is always honest aboiut how she played and the other player played. Venus played quite well moved well. Just couldnt win the big points.
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well, this is certainly unlike the venus we've all come to know and love. normally its serena that plays the number game. i think she's bitterly dissapointed cuz another chance at a slam has just passed her by. but its not like the crowd booed her or cheered her mistakes cuz there were plenty of "go venus" shouts during the match. venus, i wanted you to win. but we'll have to wait till the french. but girl please, dont play the "if" card. fact is that a player needs to be consistent and if you're a top player, you need to be able to step it up a gear in a tight match. fact is you didn't. you cant even blame your errors cuz alicia had about the same. and she had about the same no of winners as well. you were outplayed.

put this loss behind you, and move on to miami. win that ok.

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"If i play 5 % better ...."

"I played 9000 notches below my level"

"I was playing at 20 %"

where do these sisters come up with numbers like these ?
yeah they NEVER GIVE Their OPPOnents any FREAKIN CREDIT!!
she could have said
Yeah ALICIA was mentally STronger ON the BIG POINTS
but WHATEVER..
CONGRATULATIONS ALICIA ON DEFEATIN VENuS for the 1st TIME!
U GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well, this is certainly unlike the venus we've all come to know and love. normally its serena that plays the number game. i think she's bitterly dissapointed cuz another chance at a slam has just passed her by. but its not like the crowd booed her or cheered her mistakes cuz there were plenty of "go venus" shouts during the match. venus, i wanted you to win. but we'll have to wait till the french. but girl please, dont play the "if" card.kim coulda said that when she lost to serena.capriatti could have said that during all her 3 set losses to serena.many players can easily just say "if i played 5-10-15% better..." fact is that a player needs to be consistent and if you're a top player, you need to be able to step it up a gear in a tight match. fact is you didn't. you cant even blame your errors cuz alicia had about the same. and she had about the same no of winners as well. you were outplayed.

put this loss behind you, and move on to miami. win that ok.

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"If i play 5 % better ...."

"I played 9000 notches below my level"

"I was playing at 20 %"

where do these sisters come up with numbers like these ?
yeah they NEVER GIVE Their OPPOnents any FREAKIN CREDIT!!
she could have said
Yeah ALICIA was mentally STronger ON the BIG POINTS
but WHATEVER..
CONGRATULATIONS ALICIA ON DEFEATIN VENuS for the 1st TIME!
U GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I absolutely love the Williams sisters, so I am not a Williams-hater by any means, but it frustrates me that they cannot seem to give opponents credit when credit is due.
Mark Newman, if you are fan then I am sure you have read many of their interviews over the years and would have noticed this: Serena and Venus do give credit to their opponents but there have also been occasions where they have been angry, disappointed or just plain pissed off and have not complemented their opponents as tennis etiquette seems to demand.

Perhaps you see this as a defect that only Venus and Serena suffer from (but perhaps you have also started other threads about other players not giving sufficient credit to their opponents); I, for one, think that plenty of other WTA players do this.

Venus and Serena are no means perfect but I think it is erroneous to say that they never or rarely give their opponents credit. For every example cited that shows a supposed lack of respect or appreciation for their fellow players, I could cite many many more than show the opposite. I suppose it's up to people to decide for themselves which examples they think tell us most about the characters of Venus and Serena.

If people want to judge Venus and Serena on the basis of the examples of when they have have not acted as well as we'd hope they would instead of the numerous examples where they behaved exemplarily, then that is their prerogative.

Having said that, yes, it would have been nice for Venus to say a few nice things about Alicia. As a former Adelaidian myself, I have been following her career and Lleyton Hewitt's for a long time and am ecstatic that she is finally fulfilling her potential.

I can also understand why Venus might have not have been in the mood to complement Alicia. She was very disappointed and in this interview again had to face questions about why she is not as good as she was a couple of years ago.
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Venus sometimes bend over backwards giving praise to undeserving heifers who have nothing good to say about her. I am amazed that people have a problem with her considering she is the most gracious player on tour.

I don't know, I prefer Venus uncut and raw but she has never been that way. She always turns negative comments that's directed at her into the positive. I actually feel Venus and Serena are both damned if they do, and damned if they don't so they both need to say what they feel. Haters will hate anyways!!

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Venus can say whatever she wants, because she is no longer in the tournament. That means that she isn't in it to "psyche" anybody out, or intimidate anybody.
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Could Venus have been a little more complimentary? Yes....but cut her some slack. She is obviously dissapointed....everyone telling her that she is going to lose, that she is a has been...bla, bla, bla...She knows what she is capable of and tried to execute it.

She worked very hard to heal herself to get to this point. I'm proud of her and I expect her tennis to improve. When Venus says she will be prepared, she will be.

Alicia is HOT right now and playing at home...it was a great victory for her. She doesn't need Venus to qualify it.
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