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"Cold theory" can't explain ephedrine's presence in Kuznetsova's body!

I've read in my newspaper that you test positive with ephedrine if you have more than 10mg/l. They explained that it can't be explained by cold medication, since the concentration would be much much less important than that!

They also talked about the fact that if it's used in big quantity, it's like amphetamins, so maybe everybody is a little bit quick on dismissing Sveta's guilt...

Also the attitude of Larry Scott does bother me! He claims her girls didn't do anything wrong and won't be punished! But don't forget the WTA didn't even sign the World code for anti-doping from the WADA, why is this? Do Larry Scott or the WTA have something to hide? The ATP did sign it...

So far, this story looks quite strange and I think everybody was quick to charge the poor Claude Eerdekens, who was really clumsy in this case, but who was forced to intervene because of leakages in the press. It was really wrong to say it was not Justine and let the suspicion on the other 3 girls, and worse to finally release the name before the B-sample was tested, but he's not the one to blame entirely. He didn't conduct the tests himself, and he didn't take ephedrine! Had Sveta really been on ephedrine because of her cold, she should have said so when she had her testing but as far as we know she didn't. She said it herself.

Some people here claim ephedrine is permitted outside competition, but who's to say Charleroi's tournament wasn't one? There was a prize-money depending on the performances, so it's not that clear whether it was a "competition" or not... And it's not because Larry Scott says so, that everyone has to believe him! He's criticized for his bullshit week in week out...

Well, just my 2 cents, because even though I think Eerdekens is an idiot and didn't act by the rules, there's so much weird declarations or facts in all this, that maybe there's really something behind this...

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For the 276th time...it doesn't matter because it's not banned. She could have eaten ephedrine sandwiches if she wanted.

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For the 276th time...it doesn't matter because it's not banned. She could have eaten ephedrine sandwiches if she wanted.
Then there's obviously something wrong with the rules.

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Sorry Turt-but it gave Belgium a black eye when Eerdekens said it wasn't Henin and left the other3 hanging. A serious black eye.

That doesn't mean you couldn't be right about Kuzy (c'est possible)-but the whole way this was handled --plus the fact that it was an exhibition (and a charity event on top of that) makes her test irrelevent.

Now Kuzy has a perfect excuse never to play in Belgium again.
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The WTA CEO said that since it was a exhibition and ephedrine is not on the list of banned substances no sanctions will be held agaist Svetlana.

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Sorry Turt-but it gave Belgium a black eye when Eerdekens said it wasn't Henin and left the other3 hanging. A serious black eye.

That doesn't mean you couldn't be right about Kuzy (c'est possible)-but the whole way this was handled --plus the fact that it was an exhibition (and a charity event on top of that) makes her test irrelevent.

Now Kuzy has a perfect excuse never to play in Belgium again.
First of all, the declaration was intended for Belgian media, and I don't think the guy ever thought we would be talking about it outside Belgium!

Secondly, will you please stop with this "it was a charity event" nonsense? It is not and has never intended to be. I don't know where that came from, but it's simply not.

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Some people here claim ephedrine is permitted outside competition, but who's to say Charleroi's tournament wasn't one? There was a prize-money depending on the performances, so it's not that clear whether it was a "competition" or not
No, it is perfectly clear. Exhibitions are non-events, just like playing a practice match at your local public courts is a non-event. And at non-events, ephedrine is a non-banned substance. This is perfectly understandable, as its effects are so short-term. The only reason this is a 'scandal' is because stupid Eerdekens doesn't know WTA rules, and broke the code of ethics in dealing with doping.
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No, it is perfectly clear. Exhibitions are non-events, just like playing a practice match at your local public courts is a non-event. And at non-events, ephedrine is a non-banned substance. This is perfectly understandable, as its effects are so short-term. The only reason this is a 'scandal' is because stupid Eerdekens doesn't know WTA rules, and broke the code of ethics in dealing with doping.
From the World Anti-Doping Agency code:

"In-competition: an in-competition test is a test when an athlete is selected for testing in connection with a specific Competition"

"Out-of-competition: any doping control which is not In-competition"

"Competition: A single race, match, game or singular athletic contest"


As you can see, the fact that Sveta had a test in connection of her participation in the Women's Tennis Trophy tournament, it's the definition of an In-competition test! Maybe not according to the WTA, since they didn't sign the WADA code, but for the World Anti Doping Agency, it is!

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Posted by Turt First of all, the declaration was intended for Belgian media, and I don't think the guy ever thought we would be talking about it outside Belgium!
Uh-excuse moi? What kind on nonsense is that? "Intended for the Belgian media?" So he just expected that it would never travel beyond Bruges or Brussels? Wake up! Tennis is an international sport. If he (and you) didn't realize it before you damn sure should realize it now. Sorry if this seems biased but that's not helping your case at all.


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Secondly, will you please stop with this "it was a charity event" nonsense? It is not and has never intended to be. I don't know where that came from, but it's simply not.
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That came from Kuzy herself-but as you're in Belguim and I'm not-I'll take your word on that.
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As you can see, the fact that Sveta had a test in connection of her participation in the Women's Tennis Trophy tournament, it's the definition of an In-competition test! Maybe not according to the WTA, since they didn't sign the WADA code, but for the World Anti Doping Agency, it is!

But it's a private event without any official sanction! Just like it wouldnt be if they had played in my back garden.

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Uh-excuse moi? What kind on nonsense is that? "Intended for the Belgian media?" So he just expected that it would never travel beyond Bruges or Brussels? Wake up! Tennis is an international sport. If he (and you) didn't realize it before you damn sure should realize it now. Sorry if this seems biased but that's not helping your case at all.
Well you have to realize tennis is the only top sport where we have top players... And this guy never made the headline outside his region... I think he just wanted to avoid rumours about Justine the national pride, without realizing that there were people outside Belgium who would be interested in that. Pretty stupid, yes, but I already said I blamed him for that.

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But it's a private event without any official sanction! Just like it wouldnt be if they had played in my back garden.
Still, it matches the definition of the WADA code...

You know, there are doping tests even in amateur sports in Belgium! Cheaters are fought even at insignificant local events...

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I thought it was a charity event. When you charge 350 euro's
a person for a VIP ticket, and you have some proceeds going
to non-profit organizations- then it's usually considered a
charity event.

The majority of exhibition events are created for this,
the player get's tax breaks etc... the sponsors too.
They don't say anything about charity on the website, apart from a little lottery for Justine's charity organization, but it's not linked to the ticket or something, and I've been there without ever realizing there was a lottery. I've never heard of it being a charity event. The purpose of the competition is to allow Belgians to see Justine play in her country! Nothing else... It's a purely commercial tournament. They even intend to make it an official WTA tournament.

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