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Injurys at the moment = proof the off season needs to be longer!

Looking at the injury lists and the constant updates on who is next to drop out of the Australian Open, it seems there is barely any player who is injury free. I think the off season should be longer so all the women can be recuperated and ready to play this event, its a grand slam and should have all the worlds best. The entry list for the AO is looking more and more pathetic, as players keep on withdrawing, no justine, no kim, looks like no jen or mary, even amelie may withdraw!
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The players have to adjust their training, and their schedules

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its just the way the players exert themselves these days on court thats the problem....... too physical and not enough prep off court to encounter it.

Power tennis is slowly killing the top players.

they used to pretty much play all yr and never had these sorts of probs.

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Jesus, not this again.

The off season is fine. Henin-Hardenne isn't exactly injured from over-playing. Neither the Williams sisters nor Mauresmo, traditionally the most injury-prone players on tour, have ever even come close to over-playing. Clijsters did, but her mentalist schedule in 2003 was her own damn fault.

The players need to take more responsibility for their health: they need to schedule sensibly, and incorporate fitness routines into their training regimes which focus on preventing injury.

The WTA needs to stop pressuring them to play tournaments. However, the number of tournaments and length of the season is fine: indeed, some of the lower-ranked players' livelihoods are dependent on it being as long as it is.

The only thing which really needs to be changed is the number of hard court tournaments - it's a surface which is particularly jarring to the limbs, while grass and clay are much more forgiving.
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Logically given that most of the injured players have long established injuries, damaged themselves training in the off season, were injured playing exhibitions instead of recovering from 2004 or hurt themselves in their first match back there is much more case for a longer season than a short one.
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Jesus, not this again.

The off season is fine. Henin-Hardenne isn't exactly injured from over-playing. Neither the Williams sisters nor Mauresmo, traditionally the most injury-prone players on tour, have ever even come close to over-playing. Clijsters did, but her mentalist schedule in 2003 was her own damn fault.

The players need to take more responsibility for their health: they need to schedule sensibly, and incorporate fitness routines into their training regimes which focus on preventing injury.

The WTA needs to stop pressuring them to play tournaments. However, the number of tournaments and length of the season is fine: indeed, some of the lower-ranked players' livelihoods are dependent on it being as long as it is.

The only thing which really needs to be changed is the number of hard court tournaments - it's a surface which is particularly jarring to the limbs, while grass and clay are much more forgiving.
Yes, more grass tournaments. For clay then rather green clay, cause it's a fairer surface than red clay. Watch the ranking in men's tennis. A large of number of the high ranked are red clay courters. I think red clay provides too many overranked players. Would Castano have made the Main Draw of Wimbly or the tournament she lost 0-6 0-6 against A. Molik without her perf. on red clay?
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Looking at the injury lists and the constant updates on who is next to drop out of the Australian Open, it seems there is barely any player who is injury free. I think the off season should be longer so all the women can be recuperated and ready to play this event, its a grand slam and should have all the worlds best. The entry list for the AO is looking more and more pathetic, as players keep on withdrawing, no justine, no kim, looks like no jen or mary, even amelie may withdraw!
Justine and Kim were both injured and stopped playing well before the off-season, so their off-season has been several months long already. Jen hardly played in the autumn either. IMO the high level of injuries is more the result of too much play on hardcourts than anything else.

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Yes, more grass tournaments. For clay then rather green clay, cause it's a fairer surface than red clay. Watch the ranking in men's tennis. A large of number of the high ranked are red clay courters. I think red clay provides too many overranked players. Would Castano have made the Main Draw of Wimbly or the tournament she lost 0-6 0-6 against A. Molik without her perf. on red clay?
Actually, I think there should be less small red clay tournaments, but at least double the number of top-level red clay tournaments. It's pretty appalling that top players like Davenport can get away with almost completely ignoring red clay every year (yet if you want to stay in the top 5, there's no way you can skip the hard court tournaments, even though they're worse for your body).
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The players have to adjust their training, and their schedules

I agree. And instead of playing exhibitions during the off-season, they could be resting.
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Players can play as many tournaments as they want! If some players are saying that the off season is too short, than they have to cut down their schedule and play lesser tournaments.

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I agree. And instead of playing exhibitions during the off-season, they could be resting.
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Players can play as many tournaments as they want! If some players are saying that the off season is too short, than they have to cut down their schedule and play lesser tournaments.
Thank you for that post. Hopefully, some of the WTA players will read it.
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Offseason is too short, but it is up to the players to use their own brains and adjust to THEIR bodies and schedules. Sure the WTA tour is set up for the players to play and enter every tourney.

The WTA players just have to say to themselves.. " screw you , you money hungery Wta tour and tournament sponsors. I will enter what I wish to enter regardless of your begging me to make you more money." Even though the tour supports them, these girls are also the wta tour. You gotta say fuck off once inawhile!

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Justine said fuck off to the Australian Open. So it can be done.

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This is a tough problem.

The real issue is, of course, that women's tennis has become far more athletic since Graf/Williams Sisters. And the off-court, injury-preventing regimen for women's bodies doesn't seem to have yet been able to compensate. I'm not sure if the physical training establishment has yet been able to develop approaches to prevent the myriad injuries plaguing the WTA. They're doing better over at the ATP, although Rios, Magnus Norman, Ferrero, Haas, Kuerten, etc would all have something to say.

Still, it doesn't make sense to argue that a longer off-season wouldn't help. Injuries and exhibitions are multiplying during the off-season because there is considerable pressure to be sharp come the Aussie Open in January. This same pressure keeps top players playing through to November. Sorry folks, but there's no denying that a reasonable 4-month off-season would allow players to heal for at least one of those months (while continuing with conditioning work) and then slowly phase back into Tour-level physical exertion.

In some kind of fantasy tennis calendar, I'd have the season end October 1 and start up again February 1. I'd make the two hardcourt seasons one, have either the US or Aussie Open be on carpet and give each slam a proper run-up of 5-6 weeks of tournaments. The likelihood of these changes occuring all at once is low, but similar radical ones have been done one at a time. Let's keep the pressure on.

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