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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old Dec 1st, 2004, 11:41 PM Thread Starter
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What's more impressive? Winning a GS at 16 or 33?

Many people rave about players winning young, but winning late may be rather the more rare accomplishment. Quite a few players have won GS singles titles before age 20. How many have won GS singles titles after age 30?

Leading the pack among the Grande Dames is Martina Navratilova, who won Wimbledon at age 33.

Margaret Court won the Australian Open, AND Roland Garros AND the US Open in 1973, the year she turned 31.

1998 saw 30 year old Jana Novotna (finally) winning Wimbledon.

1999 saw 30 year old Steffi Graf winning Roland Garros (again).

Comparing that list to under 20's is pointless, so let's compare to 17 or younger.

Graf won RG87 at 17
Hingis won OZ97 at 16
Seles won RG90 at 16
Sharapova won WB04 at 17
Serena Williams won US99 at 17

It seems to be harder to win one at 33 than 16. Rather rare occurences either way.

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i'd say ...............at 16

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I think for sure 33. At that age, things don't work like the used too. Injuries are always a concern. I think it's huge to win at that age.

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i'M JUST IMPRESSED BY SOMEONE THAT CAN WIN A GRAND SLAM EVENT. I HAVEN'T WON A SLAM, YET.
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LOL. I agree with Jaime. However, I think although winning a grand slam when you are so young is indeed special, winning one when you are 33(when most players have already retired) is just remarkable.
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Absolutely at age 33.

At age 33 most people have retired. Just to have enough drive and motivation to still be capable of winning slams at 33 is more remarkable that some tennis teen phenom winning a slam at 16 or 17.

At 16 or 17 there is LESS pressure. Sure, at 33 you have more experience - but that experience can work against you - you know time is running out and you have fewer chances left, so grand slam finals have more importance than at 17 when you still have your whole career ahead of you..

But the biggest reason why age 33 is more impressive is just the fact that at that age you are still motivated to put the hard work in in training week in, week out when your peers are off having babies and doing other stuff with their lives and you continue to put the hard work in in order to be capable of winning slams.

Thats truley impressive.

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I hope Navratilova wins a slam at 48 next year. good luck Martina and Daniella.
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Many people rave about players winning young, but winning late may be rather the more rare accomplishment. Quite a few players have won GS singles titles before age 20. How many have won GS singles titles after age 30?

Leading the pack among the Grande Dames is Martina Navratilova, who won Wimbledon at age 33.

Margaret Court won the Australian Open, AND Roland Garros AND the US Open in 1973, the year she turned 31.

1998 saw an unusual double when 30 year old, Novotna and Graf, won WImbledon and Roland Garros.

Comparing that list to under 20's is pointless, so let's compare to 17 or younger.

Graf won RG87 at 17
Hingis won OZ97 at 16
Seles won RG90 at 16
Sharapova won WB04 at 17

It seems to be harder to win one at 33 than 16. Rather rare occurences either way.
Graf won the 99 RG, ASV won the 98 RG
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Graf won the 99 RG, ASV won the 98 RG
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Serena won USopen at 17. Why isn't she on that list??

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I'll argue the opposite position.

Winning a Grand Slam as a young teenager is an amazing feat. You have to have the stamina, skill, strength and mental ability to fight through seven consecutive matches against far more experienced and court-crafty opponents, including some of the top players in the world. A young player has to adapt to playing on huge show-courts, in the full glare of TV and publicity, as well as playing excellent consistent tennis. Most young players crumble when faced with these demands, and take years to rise to a standard where they can put it all together to win a Slam.

Older players have the necessary experience. They know the courts, know the tournaments, and know the other players and their games inside out. I really don't think a player should be physically over-the-hill at 30 years of age. Many Olympic medals are won by people of 30 plus. I think the main reason (apart from injuries) we have so few 30+ Slam winners is burnout. Players get fed up with the rigours of the tour after 10-15 years of tennis, and take the opportunity to retire with their pile.

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Both are difficult, but in different ways.....when you´re young you don´t have much experience and might still be finding your game and getting mental strength..but otoh you´re still fresh, fast, quick, strong, etc...

Whereas when you´re older you´ve already had your share of injuries, you´ve lost a step and have to contend with younger opponents who´re all fresh, fast, etc...but otoh you´ve your experience and nothing´s gonna faze you easily.

And Doc, I don´t really think it´s burn-out....it´s more that in tennis when you lose a step, that´s almost fatal.....you can contend but when you face the elite players, that lost step means that you rarely will come out the victor.

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both... it doesn't matter wat age u win a grand slam. it's impressive if u can win it!

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Serena won USopen at 17. Why isn't she on that list??
The point wasn't to get everybody. Just a representative sample. I'm sure there are others I've missed. But, just to make you happy ....

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