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Jennifer is barely avg. a tournament win a year. It's time..."Dad you're fired!"

It's high time Jennifer brought in a new coach and dumped daddy dearest for good. The old hit everything three feet from the sidelines bit isn't gonna win her any titles.

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Oh no, the only players who need a new coach are the williams sisters and they win tournaments every year. No Jen does not need a new coach her coach is just terrific. What are you talking about Daforehand.
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I don't remember Stefano being around for the tournaments leading up to the French, and I don't remember him being around for Wimby. If I'm not mistaken Jen had the same results with or without him.
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Jen shouldn't get rid Stefano but she should stick to coaches instead of firing them when she has a bad match (like French Open)
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I'm not sure I agree with this.......Jen has had fantastic results with her father (3 grand slams, 2 other titles....) Jen was just a bit more fitter in 2001-2002. I also think she was on to something with Heinz G. earlier this year, but he did not want to travel so much, so that didnt work out..... Come to think of it, I also think Paul Annaconne was really good for her as well, but then that damn back injury came along.....

For Jen, I think at this point it really doesnt matter who the coach is, as long as she is in her best physical shape. I mean look at this year, the back injury fucked up her conditioning, and she was not 100%, more like 75% to 80% and she still made 2 slam SF and 1 QF. I think if Jen stays healthy and in shape and with 1 coach, not a revolving door, she will win more titles next year....
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She should play more agressive again in my opinion. Go for her shots more,like she used to do. But what do I know? I'm not an expert. It just seems logical to me to come to that conclusion when I compare the Jen of three or four years ago with todays version.

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I'm not sure I agree with this.......Jen has had fantastic results with her father (3 grand slams, 2 other titles....) Jen was just a bit more fitter in 2001-2002. I also think she was on to something with Heinz G. earlier this year, but he did not want to travel so much, so that didnt work out..... Come to think of it, I also think Paul Annaconne was really good for her as well, but then that damn back injury came along.....

For Jen, I think at this point it really doesnt matter who the coach is, as long as she is in her best physical shape. I mean look at this year, the back injury fucked up her conditioning, and she was not 100%, more like 75% to 80% and she still made 2 slam SF and 1 QF. I think if Jen stays healthy and in shape and with 1 coach, not a revolving door, she will win more titles next year....
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She should play more agressive again in my opinion. Go for her shots more,like she used to do. But what do I know? I'm not an expert. It just seems logical to me to come to that conclusion when I compare the Jen of three or four years ago with todays version.
but then again, if you look back, jennifer against the williams sisters, has always been defensive, barely the dictator in maybe 5 points out of the entire match. but now, she has really gone off, and has become defensive to those like Jutsine, Amelie, Lindsay etc. It went from only a couple people out there able to dictate an entire match against her (the william), to about 10 player now. And i think she can narrow that down, but the sisters will always be the ones out there doing the dictating.

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She should play more agressive again in my opinion. Go for her shots more,like she used to do. But what do I know? I'm not an expert. It just seems logical to me to come to that conclusion when I compare the Jen of three or four years ago with todays version.
I agree.... I was watching a tape of her 2001 FO win over Serena the other day and she did go for the lines a bit more.... Then I watched some of her matches this year (Rome Final vs Momo and USOpen QF vs Serena) and she does play it a little more safe this year, but IMO it is because she is still a 1/2 step slower than she was in 2001. She was able to go for those lines because she was getting to the balls a little bit quicker and could set up for her shots better. Dont get me wrong, she is still pretty quick. If she could raise her fitness level again, I think she would be a far better player than when she was in 2001 and winning 3 slams. She plays with more brains now, and has a much better serve and more variety in her game, but the fitness level is off 20% IMO..... I think she has said a couple of times this year in interviews that she plans on working on that in the off season so that she can play for a few more years at the top of the game and still compete for and hopefully win a few more titles, esp. the slams.......
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but then again, if you look back, jennifer against the williams sisters, has always been defensive, barely the dictator in maybe 5 points out of the entire match. but now, she has really gone off, and has become defensive to those like Jutsine, Amelie, Lindsay etc. It went from only a couple people out there able to dictate an entire match against her (the william), to about 10 player now. And i think she can narrow that down, but the sisters will always be the ones out there doing the dictating.

Uhum...against the sisters practically NOBODY can dictate points. But I think thereīs no way that players like Elena D and Justine and even Kim should be dictating the play against Jennifer....and because sheīs soo passive is the reason that she still hasnīt reached the F at the Open, despite being in good position the last two years.

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but then again, if you look back, jennifer against the williams sisters, has always been defensive, barely the dictator in maybe 5 points out of the entire match. but now, she has really gone off, and has become defensive to those like Jutsine, Amelie, Lindsay etc. It went from only a couple people out there able to dictate an entire match against her (the william), to about 10 player now. And i think she can narrow that down, but the sisters will always be the ones out there doing the dictating.

I disagree... take a look at Jen's matches vs. the Willies back in 2001 Jen would take turns with Vee/Rena dictating the points-- more like 50/50 (not 5 points for the whole match) That is why Jen beat Rena 3 times that year.... she was able to get to Serena's shots and send them back as a winner. Jen just needs to get back to her fitness level from 2001-2002 and she will be winning titles again
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True. I think that Jen can outhit almost anyone,but not the Williams sisters,at least not at this stage of her career. Against Serena I think she's playing the right tactic actually. If she would go for broke now against Serena she would come up second best on most occasions. Not giving Serena any angles and keeping the unforced errors down to a minimum is the way to go for Jen against her (and Venus) in my opinion. But against most of the other girls.....Try to blow them away,or at the very least try (as you suggest) to dictate the pace. ACT as opposed to react to what the other girl is doing.

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but then again, if you look back, jennifer against the williams sisters, has always been defensive, barely the dictator in maybe 5 points out of the entire match. but now, she has really gone off, and has become defensive to those like Jutsine, Amelie, Lindsay etc. It went from only a couple people out there able to dictate an entire match against her (the william), to about 10 player now. And i think she can narrow that down, but the sisters will always be the ones out there doing the dictating.
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Jen has always barely avg a tournament win a year - it's nothing new.

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True. I think that Jen can outhit almost anyone,but not the Williams sisters,at least not at this stage of her career. Against Serena I think she's playing the right tactic actually. If she would go for broke now against Serena she would come up second best on most occasions. Not giving Serena any angles and keeping the unforced errors down to a minimum is the way to go for Jen against her (and Venus) in my opinion. But against most of the other girls.....Try to blow them away,or at the very least try (as you suggest) to dictate the pace. ACT as opposed to react to what the other girl is doing.

Yep...you donīt wanna groove Serena, because thatīs just getting her in the zone. Her major weakness: balls down the center...Still canīt understand how she has soo much trouble with this tactic.

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Jen's dad, if anything, makes her more nervous!

I also think it's time to dump daddy.

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