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How well would Mary Joe fair against today's players?

I was a huge fan of Mary Joe when she was playing . She was the cleverest player I have ever seen on the court. She shoulda won a GS or two.
Anyways, how well do you think she would play against today's players?
I think she would beat most of the top 50 players but beating top 10nners would be a differnet story. But given she managed to beat Serena in the twilight stage of her career, I woulnd't be surprised if she beat some of them.
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I was a huge fan of Mary Joe when she was playing . She was the cleverest player I have ever seen on the court. She shoulda won a GS or two.
Anyways, how well do you think she would play against today's players?
I think she would beat most of the top 50 players but beating top 10nners would be a differnet story. But given she managed to beat Serena in the twilight stage of her career, I woulnd't be surprised if she beat some of them.

Mary-Joe would have won this years French Open.
Hands down.
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Mary-Joe would have won this years French Open.
Hands down.
I think saying she would have won it hands down is a bit of a stretch.
She might have done well but I don't think she would have won the whole thing. I think she would have beaten the likes of Capriati, Serena but beating Nastya would have been a different story.
Mary Joe lacked power and her health problems kept holding her back in much of her long career. Clay was her favorite surface as she won her biggest title (German Open) on this ground.
I think Mary Joe would have beaten Steffi.
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I think saying she would have won it hands down is a bit of a stretch.
She might have done well but I don't think she would have won the whole thing. I think she would have beaten the likes of Capriati, Serena but beating Nastya would have been a different story.
Mary Joe lacked power and her health problems kept holding her back in much of her long career. Clay was her favorite surface as she won her biggest title (German Open) on this ground.
I think Mary Joe would have beaten Steffi.

I like the words "hands down". They add so much emphasis.

How do you think MJF would have beaten Steffi?
During change-over with her hand into Steffi's face?
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Mary-Joe would have won this years French Open.
Hands down.
I agree. Mary Joe could actually hit the ball hard and strategically she was a very gifted player (see her wins vs Davenport, Pierce just to mention some power players). I could easily see Mary Joe 93 beat this year french open finalists. Just my opinion, Mary Joe another underated player. (Can`t believe people talk a lot more from Amanda Coetzer while Mary joe made grand slam finals)

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MJF had a solid technical game, and was incredibly consistent. She just lacked fast-twitch muscles of any kind. She always looked like she was playing underwater, or in slow-mo IMO.
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MJF had a solid technical game, and was incredibly consistent. She just lacked fast-twitch muscles of any kind. She always looked like she was playing underwater, or in slow-mo IMO.
Well, she didn't scream and grunt. That made her look slow by today's standards.
BTW, did you watch her FO 93 final against Graf, son?
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Well, she didn't scream and grunt. That made her look slow by today's standards.
BTW, did you watch her FO 93 final against Graf, son?
Actually, Daddy, I did. You are right, she didn't grunt, but she did do that weird big cheek exhale thing.
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Mary Joe was a bit before my tennis era---but I still know enough about her to know that she was a great player!

She's also one of my favorite commentators .

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Mary Joe was a bit before my tennis era---but I still know enough about her to know that she was a great player!

She's also one of my favorite commentators .
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The problem is you can't set a level playing field. If MJF had modern technology and had been playing recently she would be serving faster and playing differently. depending on how well she did that you could see her anywhere in the top 10. Smart like Nastya? Dementieva minus plus serve? Too consistent for Sveta or Maria or Jennifer? Like Kim? She was competitive with Venus when Venus was at her best and Venus hasn't been there for 2 +years.
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Did you remember her match at the US Open vs Venus where she was dominating Venus in the first set... her 1st serve perecentage was 100% ( I remember John McEnroe comentating on that match, and he too could not believe what he saw...) Mary Joe slipped and injured herself on the court as the umpire refuses to stop the match (was raining at that time)

I think if she plays, she would be at least in the top 20 if not better hands down

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strange story alert!!!! i saw he play an exhibition match while 5 months pregnant , and she could still hit the ball better (cleaner and lower over the net) than the local pros. she didn't move at all though
i think she'd still be a pretty decent force in tennis. she's the type of player who really could have benefitted from the slightly better technology of today. who knows?
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MJF biggest problem was she didn't have any weapons. Her groundstrokes were solid and she played really good at the net, but she didn't have any answers facing an opponent with weapons. Of course those consistent steady players are usually the ones who benefit most when the power players can't get the ball in court.

Mary-Jo always pushed herself to be aggressive but you can tell that wasn't her comfort zone. I think she came along at a perfect time- her combined records against Monica and Steffi were very telling. Mary-Jo, Zina, Gaby, and Novotna all seemed equally likely to win a major and they all had their chances- as luck would have it Gaby and Novotna were meant to win one and for whatever reasons Zina and Mary weren't.

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well, that depends.

First, it depends on who she is facing, today's player means over 1000 players and yes, she would be able to beat most of them, now if you say top 20 it's a different story.

It also depends what Mary Jo you bring on.

the Mary Jo at her prime, teletransported to the current times?

Oh Mary Jo, like she was, physically and technically, but evolving to meet today's requirements.

In the first case the answer is simple, any top 20 player (and many top 50) would simply trounce her. Yes, she did challenge Serena that later won the US Open but Serena was inexperienced then.

Now, if Mary Jo, with the skills she had, played in today's environment, in other words, she developed her tennis in today's environment, then she would have a reasonable chance.

She wouldn't beat Serena, or Justine, or Kim, or Lindsay, or Sharapova (at least on grass) if they are playing well, but she could be dangerous if they are a bit off, same applies to other top players with the difference that I think she could beat for example Myskina, even if Myskina is playing well.

She would consistenly beat players outside the top 20 but she would have trouble handling today's pace, especially against someone like Serena, or Sprem, she would probably do better against Kim or Justine because her game would suit them better but she wouldn't win if they are on.
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