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Athletes in all sports are getting better all the time, measurably in some, apparently in others. Obviously exceptional tennis players abound today. I also feel that the greats in one era would be greats if transposed to another. Big Bill Tilden and Helen Wills, benefitting from startling improvements in equipment, coaching and training methods, immersed in a highly professional environment, would be champions today. But they would find themselves surrounded by a deeper, more imposing cast, hitting the ball harder, battling for fantastic financial awards, ever monitored and classified by the cold hearted computer.

Greatest Ever List

1880s Renshaw / Sears------- Bingley Hillyard
1890s R. Doherty / Wrenn------------- Dod / Atkinson
1900s L. Doherty / Larned ---------- Douglass Chambers
1910s Wilding---------------- Douglass Chambers / Mallory
1920s Tilden-------------Lenglen
1930s Budge------------ Wills Moody
1940s Kramer----------- Brough
1950s Gonzales -------- Connolly
1960s Rosewall------------ Court
1970s Borg------------- Evert
1980s Lendl ------------ Navratilova
1990s Sampras---------- Seles until she was stabbed

2000s --- ? ----------------- ?------

Tennis was not so much an international sport before the 1920s and 1930s (really became an international sport in 1925). Therefore, it is harder to have a best player of the sport for those earlier years -- except you have to go with Wilding in the 1910s.

There are some very good players --- Cochet, Lacoste, Perry, Vines, Crawford, Hoad, Laver, Newcombe, Connors, McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, Wilander and Agassi among the men and Jacobs, Marble, du Pont, Hart, Fry, Hard, Gibson, Bueno, King, Goolagong, Graf, Hingis, among the women --- who just were not quite good enough to be considered the best players of their decades
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So who among today's tennis players for both the men's and women's will most likely end up the best among the best for the 2000 decade?

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we are only half way through this decade
u cant decide yet..
this is not the time

Serena Williams
Vera Zvonareva
Ana Ivanovic


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we are only half way through this decade
u cant decide yet..
this is not the time
just a projection for the first half of the 2000 decade..
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I've only been a fan for like 10 years so.....in that amout of time, here are the greatest (top 5) players I remember (in NO particular order):

WTA TOUR:
Martina Navratilova
Monica Seles
Steffi Graf
Serena Williams
Martina Hingis

ATP TOUR:
Pete Sampras
Roger Federer
Jim Courier
Andre Agassi
Ivan Lendl

among this decade...I would UNQUESTIONALBLY say:

SERENA WILLIAMS AND ROGER FEDERER

Hate if you must, but...."the Serena Slam", not even Hingis could do that...hell not even Seles could! It takes something special to be able to win four major in a row! In fact, no other active player has a career Grand Slam...again something not even Hingis or Seles could do! When Justine can do that...against a completely competitive and active field (2002-2003 was a GREAT strectch of tennis...[Dokic was top 10!] and everyone at the top was competing at a high level...Serena just beat everyone else) then, maybe she can possibly tie Serena as the greatest of this decade. Sharpova fans...sorry, Masha is good...great even..she might even be #1 eventually, but Serena's been to at least the quarterfinals of the last 15 Grand Slams that she has competed in...Masha couldn't even do it for four...yet. Everyone else....get real! Venus is the only clear runner-up to Serena, but since Serena eclipsed her sister so greatly...there really is nothing futher to say!

Roger is AMAZING! He makes tennis look so freaking easy, I almost wanna quit. He will whip top 5 players and not even break a sweat. In the ATP, a balanced field has been what the tour has boased about, but now, although the field is balanced, one player stands above the rest. Yeah he has off days (he should have won in Athens), but who doesn't? At least he shows up where and when he needs to. Three Grand Slam titles in one year is something that not even Sampras could do, and he's the God of Tennis! In one year, Federer has gone from no grand slam titles and being the, "Next Best Thing", to four Grand Slam Titles (dropping only ONE set en route) and being the "Greatest Thing Ever!" He has secured the year-end ranking with over two months of competitive tennis left! No one has done that before! He is awesome and by far the best of this decade. Roddick has a great serve and lots of emotions, but in a pinch, I wouldn't bet my mom's heart surgery money on Roddick over Federer! Federer is the best of the 2000 decade...along with Serena Williams!

Career Grand Slam in your 20s? Been there done that. Career golden slam your 30s?
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It is BULLSHIT is you think Graf was not the best player of the 80's or the 90's!!!!!!! Get Real!

Great post mrserenawilliams. I agree with everything you say
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Serena Williams, if she can remain consistent and healthy, should really be the greatest player of this decade.


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i agree with mrserenawilliams... great post!

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Lindsay Jelena Maria

Mary : Monica : Svetlana : Sania : Jennifer : Amelie
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How many Wimbledon trophies did Sampras raise?
How many Wimbledon trophies did Seles raise?

It is a commonly accepted principle among tennis pundits that to be considered the greatest ever the player must have won each grand slam at least once in their career. Sampras never won the French. That's the only gap in his list of accomplishments. However, because he won Wimbledon a number of times and the most grand slam tournaments of any male player, his career still makes the best claim of all former players to be the greatest ever.

The same would not have been true if he had won the French Open a number of times, but never Wimbledon. Traditionally, Wimbledon has been regarded as the higher achievement. Rarely do second tier players win at Wimbledon because it simply demands to much from its champions both in terms of shot-making ability and athletic skill.

Historically, Wimbledon has also been the true arbiter of greatness. If you look at all the legends in the sport, you will see that all of them have not only won Wimbledon once, but often three times or more. The surface annoints legends. And, so it is that the best players have often sought legendary status at Wimbledon by stringing together three or more wins over a decade or more.

Seles never won at Wimbledon. In the early 90's, she won the other major tournaments at least twice, but never Wimbledon. That is a serious gap in her record during those years; it seriously calls into question any claim to greatnesss based only on that three year window of opportunity. If she had won Wimbledon in '91 and/or '92 and never played again after the stabbing, she would have had an outstanding claim to be considered the greatest ever. If she had won Wimbledon, her claim to greatness wouuld have been based on having completed a calendar year grand slam, the Wimbledon win(s), and victories at 8 or 9 of the 9 grand slams she played from '91 to '93. But, she never won Wimbledon and not having won Wimbledon calls into question the greatness of her game at a time when she was supposedly dominating. It should go without saying that you cannot dominate a decade, let alone two or three years, without having registered a single Wimbledon win.
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I agree LDVTennis! Great Post!

Career Grand Slam in your 20s? Been there done that. Career golden slam your 30s?
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90´s Sampras and Graf...enough with this woulda already. The stats are there and they say that steffi won more. End of discussion.

current generation: Federer and Serena....their records say it all and nobody else of their current generation comes close.

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u really dont like steffi do u :retard:
get over it steffi is the best

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for me, the best two players EVER are Andre Agassi and Martina Navratilova.

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u really dont like steffi do u :retard:
get over it steffi is the best
It reminds me of little chihuahuas barking at the heels of a Great Dane ... the Great Dane is amused for a little while and the chihuahuas just continue to bark away without realizing it is out of its league.
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It reminds me of little chihuahuas barking at the heels of a Great Dane ... the Great Dane is amused for a little while and the chihuahuas just continue to bark away without realizing it is out of its league.
lmao dont u love the numbers 22 and 9 arent they lovely dont u love wimbledon havent all the truly great players won it

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Isn't sad that the fans of the two of the greatest female tennis players of all time have to fight like babies. Steffi and Monica respect eachother, and know eachothers place in history. Everyone knows that Monica could have won another 50 slams had she not been stabbed. She also could have won no more. Facts are, Steffi has 22 singles slams, Monica has 9. Draw your own conclusions

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