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the WTA has really screwed up the rankings now

This is beyond ridiculous, they could well go back to the times when journalist just picked the ranking.

it's a completely arbitrary system and has nothing to do with Momo.

By Australian Open time, the WTA decided to reward special ranking point for beating Venus and Serena, the most ridiculous thing in the world because the special seeding where meant to benefit Venus and Serena for the time off.

They rewarded higuer quality points for the Aussie and other tournaments and then they suddenly decided to stop it by French Open time.

Now in the new rankings, they have added those points, but not to the US Open total but they have amended the previous points.

Making it worse, they have only done it for Grand Slams, so, they have changed Myskina, Capriati, Sprem and Sharapova points.

As a result Capriati is # 8 and Sharapova # 9, it does look like a pathetic attempt to get Capriati to qualify for the Chase.

The ranking system has gone beyond a joke with this, and the WTA wonder why they receive critics? they just change it to their liking.

The reason why Mauresmo is # 1 without even a GS final is because of the completely irrational number of points they rewarded for the YEC, now they do this and make the system completely arbitrary, it's just up to Larry Scott to pick how the rankings should be.

They really don't have a fucking clue and at this point my advise it, screw the ranking, completely, they have no meaning whatsoever.

It's absolutely pathetic the WTA does this to benefit american players, especially when 6 out of the top 7 are not americans.

Really, Larry Scott has to go, he has lot all credibility, what else are they going to fix?

Now I really think Mariana Alves was probably following instructions from Scott, only way I can think she didn't see that ball.

And yes, this hurts Venus and Serena more than anyone (and Sharapova that loses one spot), because players get inflated points for beating them.

Really, I think there should be an investigation and the rankings should be taken away from the WTA, they can't even get that right.
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It is absurd, Capriati continues to get benefits from the tennis establishment at the expense of everyone else. The ranking system needs to stay put. Either they decide to award the extra bonus points for beating the Williams Sisters or they don't, they can't go changing it around every time someone they like beats a Williams sister

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I agree that this is BS. "Special seeding" is already nonsense, but this bonus-points thing is too much. The most laughable thing is that Serena has never played like a no.2, so not even her playing level would justify increasing bonus points.

Not sure what you meant about the YEC points, Fingon.
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what i really dont get is Myskina lossing 2nd round and she is number 2......justine got to the round of 16........

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I agree that this is BS. "Special seeding" is already nonsense, but this bonus-points thing is too much. The most laughable thing is that Serena has never played like a no.2, so not even her playing level would justify increasing bonus points.

Not sure what you meant about the YEC points, Fingon.
simple, with this system they move Capriati up, they make it more probable that she will qualify.

I am a Masha fan, but I would like her not to qualify to LA, then they would lose one of their marketing strenghts and and I hope LA is a real disaster.

At this point I don't believe anymore the WTA executives are just stupid, I think they are doing it on purpose, they are just tweaking the system, I wonder if they have big bets in place. Simply, they can't be trusted anymore, the WTA is a corporation, when the CEO of a corporation can't be trusted he has to go, Larry Scott's time is over, he will never regain trust, not after fixing the ranking to benefit some americans, not after an umpire makes such a blantant mistake in a key match.

If the same bullshit as when they changed the AER to help Maria, again, I like her but that was unfair when all the other players had to go by the rules.

What's next? if Capriati is hitting long shots they will change the court's dimensions?

whatever, I have lost the little respect I had left for the WTA, they have to rectify this mess and fire the people doing the ranking, and that idiot of Scott.
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But they gave Raymond the extra points at the Australian...so why shouldn't everyone else get them for the rest of the year?

I think getting the extra points is stupid, but at least it's consistent now instead of arbitrary. It was either this or take away Raymond's bonus points from Australia, and that's not fair to Raymond.

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simple, with this system they move Capriati up, they make it more probable that she will qualify.
That's not what I meant. You said "Amelie is no.1 because they gave irrational points for the YEC" and I'm not sure what that means.
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One would assume that means that Fingon thinks you get more points than you deserve at the Masters.

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what i really dont get is Myskina lossing 2nd round and she is number 2......justine got to the round of 16........
Justine had more points coming off from last year's US Open.
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One would assume that means that Fingon thinks you get more points than you deserve at the Masters.
Probably. I wouldn't agree though.
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But they gave Raymond the extra points at the Australian...so why shouldn't everyone else get them for the rest of the year?

I think getting the extra points is stupid, but at least it's consistent now instead of arbitrary. It was either this or take away Raymond's bonus points from Australia, and that's not fair to Raymond.
yes of course, but why only the GS? if the WTA considers that beating Serena was woth # 2 points, why is it only the GSs?

and they did rewarded extra point in other tournaments before, but LD's points were unchanged despite her beating Serena.

they can't even cheat properly, they are too stupid for that.
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Plus Myskina is going to lose a hell of a lot of points from Leipzig at the end of the month because the tournament isn't being held this year - so technically during that week, Lindsay won't even have to touch a racquet and she'll go into no 2 spot.

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I think the problem with the Masters points is that, since it's round robin, you get too many Quality Points. But one has to note that Clijsters and Mauresmo have excelled at the Masters and have both reached #1 without Slam wins. So if one has a problem with them being #1 -- I personally don't -- one could point at the exorbitant point totals they've received at the Masters as a cause.

And just to clarify, I think it's pretty stupid to reward Quality Points based on people's special seeding as opposed to their real ranking -- I've been saying this since January -- but if you're going to do it one way, you have to do it that way all the time. I think this is the wrong extreme, but like I said, they started it in Melbourne in January so they have to follow that model for the rest of the year, and even though I don't like it, this is more fair than having one method for one Slam and another method for others.

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yes of course, but why only the GS? if the WTA considers that beating Serena was woth # 2 points, why is it only the GSs?
It isn't. For instance, they gave Petrova 75 QP for beating Serena in Amelia Island. Perhaps they missed some regular tournaments, or...maybe they didn't. Maybe I'll look at the other Williams losses this year, depending upon whether I feel like it or not.

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wouldn't lindsay get a lot more points for beating venus twice and serena in her cali slam as well?
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