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What is the best way to contrive the ranking system...

... to ensure that a French lesbian who has not won a slam, but has played better overall than everyone else for 52 weeks, cannot become number 1?

I'd have made a poll, but let's hear all your original ideas instead.

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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old Sep 14th, 2004, 12:27 AM
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Give a 1000 point bonus for winning a GS. Then watch as you get a number 1 who plays Wimbledon and the USO and somewhere else to get to three tournaments and then goes off to train and relax for the rest of the year.
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Tier I: 50 points.
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... to ensure that a French lesbian who has not won a slam, but has played better overall than everyone else for 52 weeks, cannot become number 1?

I'd have made a poll, but let's hear all your original ideas instead.
As I've already suggested. Separate the concept of "top-ranked player" from a concept of "#1 player". Make "top-ranked player" a prerequisite for "#1 player" and make being "top-ranked" only insignificant by itself. Bind a concept of "#1 player" to doing well in Slams as well. and make "#1 player" important and significant achievement.

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Grand Slam: 1000 points.

Tier I: 50 points.
Might as well complete the logic. Beat numbers 1 3 and 5 at Sydney = 60 quality points. Beat number 27, 18 and 13 to win a GS = 435 quality points.
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take them away from the WTA, they are fixing them so they can't be trusted
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Another way, I suppose, would be to give any player called "Capriati" 1000 special bonus points every time she beats a top ten player or a former number 1. That system would suit the WTA pretty well. Better make sure that this happens a few times, though. Give chair umps some special instructions about line calls any time such a player is on court.

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As I've already suggested. Separate the concept of "top-ranked player" from a concept of "#1 player". Make "top-ranked player" a prerequisite for "#1 player" and make being "top-ranked" only insignificant by itself. Bind a concept of "#1 player" to doing well in Slams as well. and make "#1 player" important and significant achievement.
But as we may find out when they try and find an ITF 2004 World Champion, how would you decide who is the best player?. Lindsay, Nastya, Sveta, Maria, Momo could all have a case made for them and if its left to the media the US votes might go to serena anyway. You can't even decide it on a H2H record - Nastya would beat the people who beat Lindsay in GS but Lindsay might well beat Nastya.

Its not even clear who is best when you do have a player who has the H2H over the others - if you had a dominant player who rarely played and probably owed their dominance to that would they be the "best"? Its certainly not clear when you have 5 now with similar cases and a number 1 ranked player who can't beat a sixth player Elena D in a GS and a number 1 player in the Race who can't get to a GS final..
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it's pretty simple, just increase the weight of the Grand Slams in the rankings to four times the value of the Tier I's - right now it's what, 400 points to win a Tier I and 800 for a GS. It should be 1600 points for a GS. If they do that, no way we would ever get this embarrassing situation of having Mauresmo at #1 without even a Slam final, much less a Slam victory. Mauresmo and other players who don't perform at Slams would be taken out of the #1 equation by doubling the GS points weighting.
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yeah, then everyone can just skip all non-grand slams

Tier I's are not that easy to win.
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it's pretty simple, just increase the weight of the Grand Slams in the rankings to four times the value of the Tier I's - right now it's what, 400 points to win a Tier I and 800 for a GS. It should be 1600 points for a GS. If they do that, no way we would ever get this embarrassing situation of having Mauresmo at #1 without even a Slam final, much less a Slam victory. Mauresmo and other players who don't perform at Slams would be taken out of the #1 equation by doubling the GS points weighting.
really? then with Zuluaga reaching the semis of the Australian Open, under that system she should earn at least 800-1000 points, that would put her well inside the top 10.

what they have to do is to think a good system, analyze what went wrong with the current one and come with something coherent, not write down how they want it to look and they make a system that just gives them that.
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it's pretty simple, just increase the weight of the Grand Slams in the rankings to four times the value of the Tier I's - right now it's what, 400 points to win a Tier I and 800 for a GS. It should be 1600 points for a GS. If they do that, no way we would ever get this embarrassing situation of having Mauresmo at #1 without even a Slam final, much less a Slam victory. Mauresmo and other players who don't perform at Slams would be taken out of the #1 equation by doubling the GS points weighting.

Amelie has amassed the points she needs to be the current #1 under the system in place so we all have to accept she deserves it as it stands.

But it is obvious that many of us do not feel happy with the situation and the ranking system. What the answer is would take a greater brain than mine to put in place. However, I don't believe increasing the Slams to 4 times the value of the Tier I's would help because it would really devalue the Tier I's and they are an important part of the tour. It might also encourage those reaching the semis of a Slam to play atournament or two fewer.

Perhaps a compromise on this might be the solution. Give double the current points available to a Slam winner (which would be four times a Tier I) but leave the other points for r/u downwards the same. Maybe, give some bonus points to a ruuner up in a Slam but not the extent of double those currently available.

It's a real dilemma.
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Roland Garros: 3000 points.
Other Slams: 600 points.
Other Slams won by blonde players: 1000 points.
Other Slams won by Americans: 1000 points.
OS won by blonde Americans: 1500 points.
OS won by French players: 500 points.
Tier 1s: 50 points.
If player is gay, cut points in half.
When player receives numerical #1 ranking, put her in front of special "#1 Tribunal" composed of straight white male WTA marketing people, George W. Bush, Playboy subscribers, and ys to determine if she REALLY DESERVES to be #1. If not, she can be Number #1 1/2.

With this lovely system (which the WTA really should consider) it is safe to say Amélie will never get near #1.

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I already posted a quite comprehensive answer to your question Leopard
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