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Wasn't the biggest joke ever Davenport being #1 in 2001

Capriati won the Australian Open and the French Open (SF at the other 2). Venus won Wimbledon and the U.S. Open (SF at the AO, 1st round at the FO). And yet, Davenport was #1 with SF at the AO, n/a at the FO, SF at Wimbledon, and QF at the U.S. Open.

Jen was 56-14 that year, with 2 GSs, 3 overall titles, and great play at all 4 GSs. Lindsay was 62-9 with 7 titles, but she did just okay at the Slams.

This year, Henin-Hardenne won the AO, but didn't play much. Same with Sharapova (b/c of the rules) at Wimbledon. And Kuznetsova and Myskina were very inconsistent.
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No. Why? Cause at least she had won majors before. That's nothing compared to Kim and Amelie, IMO. BUt whatever. the rankings are just that...rankings. It's just a number
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And she might do it again this year..

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No. Why? Cause at least she had won majors before. That's nothing compared to Kim and Amelie, IMO. BUt whatever. the rankings are just that...rankings. It's just a number
I never really understood the 'never won a Slam' vs. 'won a slam' thing. Sure, Lindsay won Slams in 1998, 1999, and 2000. But she didn't win a Slam in 2001, when she was ranked #1. So, what, someone deserves #1 more if they won a Slam in the past, although not this year, than someone who has never won a Slam, but who had a better year?
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And she might do it again this year..
Yeah, but this year is a bit different. For a variety of reasons, we have 4 different Slam winners, none of whom had great overall years. Davenport, who had just an incredible summer, would deserve #1 just as much if not more than any of these players. But in 2001, we had 2 players with 2 Slams each, and Jen had a great overall year, especially at the Slams.
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Apart from those 2 Slams Capriati only won 1 title that year, and after Wimbledon she wasn't playing that well, and she had a really bad indoor season.
Venus didn't play much that year, and she had that 1R loss at RG. She didn't play at all after USO.

Lindsay didn't win a Slam, but she went on a winning streak during the indoor season, and reached the YEC final when had to withdraw due to injury. She was able to reach the #1 because nobody was really dominating that year. True, Jennifer and Venus had a better year Slam-wise, but Lindsay used her chance to stockpile a huge number of points in the last 2 months of the year. After that, WTA decided to give away more points at Slams so it wouldn't happen again.
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Apart from those 2 Slams Capriati only won 1 title that year, and after Wimbledon she wasn't playing that well, and she had a really bad indoor season.
Venus didn't play much that year, and she had that 1R loss at RG. She didn't play at all after USO.

Lindsay didn't win a Slam, but she went on a winning streak during the indoor season, and reached the YEC final when had to withdraw due to injury. She was able to reach the #1 because nobody was really dominating that year. True, Jennifer and Venus had a better year Slam-wise, but Lindsay used her chance to stockpile a huge number of points in the last 2 months of the year. After that, WTA decided to give away more points at Slams so it wouldn't happen again.
Yeah, but when you go W, W, SF, SF at the Slams, win another tournament, and have a pretty solid year otherwise, it's tough to lose #1 to somebody who missed a Slam and went QF, SF, SF in the others.
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Davenport is actually a WINNER. So no, it is not a joke for her to be number 1!
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Thing is that Lindsay plays a lot and on the two surfaces that you can win the most points happen to be her two best surfaces.....and then you get things like her being no.1 without even reaching a major f.

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I guess my points are these:

-This year, none of the GS winners, either a) won more than 1 Slam, or b) did well at all 4 Slams.
-In '01, Capriati both a) won 2 Slams, and b) did well at all 4 Slams.

-This year, Mauresmo did well at all 4 Slams.
-in '01, Lindsay didn't even play the FO.
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No. She won seven titles and ended the year with a 15 match win streak.

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No. She won seven titles and ended the year with a 15 match win streak.
Well, technically, she withdrew in her last match of the year, and I still don't see it. 7 titles, SF, SF, QF, n/a at the Slams does not equal 3 titles, W, W, SF, SF at the Slams.
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She won seven titles that year.
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The biggest joke to me is people wanting to tweak the ranking system because they don't like the result (which happened after Lindsay finished #1 in 2001, didn't it? or did people just make noise about it?).

It's not perfect, and I'm not opposed to seeing it change, but the perfect system doesn't exist.

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lindsay said it best herself "it's not my fault Jennifer didn't play well in anything BUT slams or that Venus won two slams and didn't do much more than that."
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