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If this IS the 'Russian Domination', what will we see going forward that proves it?

There are a number of Tier I and II tournaments coming up, and the YEC. If this is the age of 'Russian Domination', will they sweep those tournaments, especially given that there ARE six of them?

I don't really care if you think that their time has come or not. I want to know what do you think will offer proof, IN THE FUTURE, IN UPCOMING TOURNAMENTS, that this wasn't just a good three months for Russian tennis. (It was however, a VERY good three months.)

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None of the Russians have separated themselves from the field like the Williams/Belgians did. That was REAL domination.
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it's whoever survives wins, right now ... i think the game has been upped big time, and a lot more power with a mix of wicked slices ... we'll probably get somebody with a Graf-like slice in the WTA

we'll probably see a new player winning every tournament. unless of course Venus and Serena are seriously back ...
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Well maybe. But what WOULD 'domination' look like. Would some Russian player win every tournament? MOST of the tournaments? The Americans don't all go to Europe for the fall, so it could be Justine vs Russia out there.

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You are talking too much of a short term stuff.. No one really cares much about indoor tournaments, apart from YEC.. And given that YEC is likely to have 5 Russians in its field.. Yes, I expecta a Russian to win it too.. But really, the next stop is Australian Open.. Anything before that is .. minor..

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You are talking too much of a short term stuff.. No one really cares much about indoor tournaments, apart from YEC.. And given that YEC is likely to have 5 Russians in its field.. Yes, I expecta a Russian to win it too.. But really, the next stop is Australian Open.. Anything before that is .. minor..

Sorry, YS. Zurich is a TIER 1, and is considered very big.
People do care about this tournament. Filderstadt is technically
only a TIER II; but people really care about this indoor event too.

Moscow is a TIER 1; but as with the Tokyo Pan Pacific it's
not something people feel they have to win. It's more about
players who feel good and go back to it annually.

Linz is about the same as Philly in terms of importance; but
nobody is going to complain about not winning it.

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Sorry, YS. Zurich is a TIER 1, and is considered very big.
People do care about this tournament. Filderstadt is technically
only a TIER II; but people really care about this indoor event too.

Moscow is a TIER 1; but as with the Tokyo Pan Pacific it's
not something people feel they have to win. It's more about
players who feel good and go back to it annually.

Linz is about the same as Philly in terms of importance; but
nobody is going to complain about not winning it.
Whatever.. In three years time only few things will be remembered about year 2004. Who won four Slams. Who won Olympics. Who ended year as #1. Who won Fed Cup. Zurich, Moscow, Filderstadt and Linz are decent tournament.. But anyone would easily prefer to win one Australian Open then all four of those tourney.. The season is pretty much over.. All that is left is Fed Cup and YEC.. And even they are ... insignificant..

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Moscow is a TIER 1; but as with the Tokyo Pan Pacific it's
not something people feel they have to win. It's more about
players who feel good and go back to it annually.
try telling that to
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Russian domination could be a lot longer than Williams/Belgian domination because it doesn't rely on 2 players, but rather 5-7 excellent one. So when gets injured or in slump there will be other who will pick it up... And that's what you should be talking about it.

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Russian domination could be a lot longer than Williams/Belgian domination because it doesn't rely on 2 players, but rather 5-7 excellent one. So when gets injured or in slump there will be other who will pick it up... And that's what you should be talking about it.
That's what I'm ASKING about. If it depends on 5-7 p[layers, can I reasonably expect them to start sweep Tier I and II events. Can I expect a Russian in Every final a la the WIlliams sisters in 2002? I'm asking the question. You tell me the answer.

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i think the russians will be in the mix at the tier 1 and 2 events and also in the slams but the williams sisters, belgians, mauresmo, davenport and capriati are all in the mix as well. the russians have got the better of them at the slams for the moment and as much as i would like for the russians to win all the top tournaments i think that the other top players will get in there as well. however there are a number of russians that havent quite made the breakthrough that myskina, sharapova, kuznetsova and dementieva have and they are very talented, players like zvonareva, petrova, bovina. they have games to go far in these big tournaments so if they pick their games up like the others have then we may well see many all russian finals in the top events. and within a couple of years there should be more russians at the top or nearing the top ie eg douchevina, kirilenko, safina, lina k and maybe a couple of others.

but atm i dont think the tour will be completely dominated by the russians.

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They've already proven themselves. Atleast the "Russian domination" is proven. Yes even the best of them might not win 2 Slams in a rowm but that Russians win Slams in a row can't be denied. Plus we saw that tournament winning streak that lasted from RG till (after?) Wimbledon.
Anyway, they have proven themselves, most importantly to themselves. i don't care if you're not convinced, but that wouldn't stop them from sweaping through other GS titles and other titles.

When Russians were winning only small tourneys (tier 2 and below) critics said that "they don't have a single GS to their name so that doesn't mean anything. GS's are the true indicators". Now they are winning Grand Slams and you want smaller tournaments all of the sudden? This is ridiculous!

Note: I don't think there'll be "dominance" in the near future. It's not the right word. I think "presence" will be correct. They'll be winning Tier one's, two's and three's, but not all of them. JHH, Clijsters, Williams, Davenport (if she stays), Capriati will win too, but less. Individually the above named may be winning more than a given Russian (with exceptions) but as there are a lot of top class Russians no one should be surprised if a Russian will be winning every second trournament. Remember, we're always making a mistake of comparing one individual with a group of atleast 5. Justine (or in the best case "the Belgians" against the whole of Russian horde. That's a mistake. Don't view the Horde s a team, view them as separate players.

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Moscow is a TIER 1; but as with the Tokyo Pan Pacific it's
not something people feel they have to win. It's more about
players who feel good and go back to it annually.
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try telling that to
Myskina, Dementieva, Kuznetsova, Zvonareva etc
Exactly Eggy.
I bet that atleast two of the top-5 players will play there, 1 No.6 and possibly two other top-tenners . Not a Tier-1?

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That's what I'm ASKING about. If it depends on 5-7 p[layers, can I reasonably expect them to start sweep Tier I and II events. Can I expect a Russian in Every final a la the WIlliams sisters in 2002? I'm asking the question. You tell me the answer.
I believe that since they won their first Slam, you do have a Russian in nearly every Tier I and II final..

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