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TRacy Austin has Support by Mary Carillo & Mary Joe Fernandez on Venus weak game

I don't know why the media is finally hearin Tracy Austin sayin Venus & Serena need to work on their forehands & gettin new Advice....if U saw the match yesterday between Lindsay & Venus...Mary Carillo was talkin about it also...Don't forget at the Bank of the WEst Mary Joe Fernandez was explainin how Venus needs to get a Coach to work on the Forehand..Basically its OLD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its so obvious Venus needs FResh input on her Weak sucky forehand Technique!!!!!!!!!! Its just TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

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By the way..I was lookin at Venus's losses...yesterday against Lindsay 42 Unforced Errors in 2 SETs...Olympics against My girl Mary Pierce 35 UEs..at Wimbledon against Karolina Sprem 33Unforced Errors...at the Bank of the WEst against Lindsay 73 Unforced ERrors....against Myskina at the French Open 46 Unforced Errors..
Something gotta Give!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so Tired of Her ERRactic Self! Get it Together Venus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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People are really amazing. I remember when Venus was dominating with that forehand it was those same losers such as Carillo,Austin and especialy Fernandez who would always say if you want to win pick on the Venus forehand. They expose the sisters weaknesses more than any other player. I really don't think that the rest of the tour were aware that the forehand side was Venus's biggest liability until these commentators kept repeating it over and over again. When the sisters were dominating you'll watch a match the questions would always be 'what can these players do to beat a Williams'? During the matches when Davenport was playing Venus during the summer I never heard once Mary Jo Fernandez say that Venus should move Lindsay around to beat her. They have exposed the sisters weaknesses constantly for everyone to exploit.They talk about Dementiava's poor serve but thats obvious to everyone. I didn't hear Mary Carillo say yesterday that Venus should move Lindsey from side to side. You guys don't recognize the blatant bias when it comes to the sisters.
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People are really amazing. I remember when Venus was dominating with that forehand it was those same losers such as Carillo,Austin and especialy Fernandez who would always say if you want to win pick on the Venus forehand. They expose the sisters weaknesses more than any other player. I really don't think that the rest of the tour were aware that the forehand side was Venus's biggest liability until these commentators kept repeating it over and over again. When the sisters were dominating you'll watch a match the questions would always be 'what can these players do to beat a Williams'? During the matches when Davenport was playing Venus during the summer I never heard once Mary Jo Fernandez say that Venus should move Lindsay around to beat her. They have exposed the sisters weaknesses constantly for everyone to exploit.They talk about Dementiava's poor serve but thats obvious to everyone. I didn't hear Mary Carillo say yesterday that Venus should move Lindsey from side to side. You guys don't recognize the blatant bias when it comes to the sisters.
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I don't know why the media is finally hearin Tracy Austin sayin Venus & Serena need to work on their forehands & gettin new Advice....if U saw the match yesterday between Lindsay & Venus...Mary Carillo was talkin about it also...Don't forget at the Bank of the WEst Mary Joe Fernandez was explainin how Venus needs to get a Coach to work on the Forehand..Basically its OLD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its so obvious Venus needs FResh input on her Weak sucky forehand Technique!!!!!!!!!! Its just TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Venus had 18 forehand winners to 20 unforced errors on that side it looks pretty even to me the problem is Vee's forehand breaks down when you force her to hit it from certain situations she is better with it on the run and with her sucky forehand technique why was the match with davenport decided by only one break of serve in each set. Tracy and the rest are not saying anything new and the fact is that Venus is working on her forehand technique why are they acting like it is something she is unaware of and hasn't been working on. Also who says she hasn't been getting fresh imput or won't get fresh imput at the end of the season. She is doing all she can to correct her technique I have seen Richard taking video of her and also he has been working on it with her during practice if Mary and company know what is wrong and want to help so much why don't they take Venus aside and tell her what the problem is she is doing all she can do I don't know what more they want from her.
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People are really amazing. I remember when Venus was dominating with that forehand it was those same losers such as Carillo,Austin and especialy Fernandez who would always say if you want to win pick on the Venus forehand. They expose the sisters weaknesses more than any other player. I really don't think that the rest of the tour were aware that the forehand side was Venus's biggest liability until these commentators kept repeating it over and over again. When the sisters were dominating you'll watch a match the questions would always be 'what can these players do to beat a Williams'? During the matches when Davenport was playing Venus during the summer I never heard once Mary Jo Fernandez say that Venus should move Lindsay around to beat her. They have exposed the sisters weaknesses constantly for everyone to exploit.They talk about Dementiava's poor serve but thats obvious to everyone. I didn't hear Mary Carillo say yesterday that Venus should move Lindsey from side to side. You guys don't recognize the blatant bias when it comes to the sisters.
So? Can u deny that it is a weakness in Venus's game?? I just wish she'd just work on her forehand, it was just saddening to watch her lose because of it... Everyone is improving, Venus has to improve too...

Yes, Venus is still my absolute favourite, but I'm not oblivious to the fact tt there is A LOT of room for improvement...

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Now some of these post ARE STUPID.. People don't need commentator to realize which shot is the weskest. They are professional for heaven's sake!!
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I just read Tracy Austin's latest piece on MSNBC and she defends herself by saying she "likes" Venus and Serena and is disappointed that Richard felt the need to attack her personally for her "unbiased" commentary. Well, I suggest she go back and take a look at the tape of the Chanda/Venus match because the reason for all the outrage is that she and Ted went over the line. When you aren't commenting on the good as well as the bad, then something is up. They never even talked about how well Chanda was playing, just Venus sucks at this and Venus sucks at that and what a sloppy match it was.

I also think that she's feeling guilty because if not, then why the need to respond to Richard? Also, Richard is taking the heat with the press and the other commentators because he's always saying something outrageous and the press eats it up when he does. It's the same thing that no one gets--the press and the broadcasters treat Venus and Serena differently. Say what you want but it's true. Evidence is in the commentaries. Take a look at any Williams sisters match as far back as you can find and you'll hear the rumblings. Again, no one is saying that pointing out that Venus' forehand is her less confident shot is wrong, we're saying mapping out a strategy for her opponents is.

While I think that Richard is always at risk of being quoted for his outrageous statements and not the boring, routine ones, he still has the right to come to the defense of his children. And Venus and Serena are adults, they go to get coaching where they want. Maybe Venus will get outside help with her shots or maybe she's got something else in mind. We'll just have to wait and see. I just hope that Tracy will be more circumspect in her comments.

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One thing people should start to do: Stop living in denial.....the williams sisters get treated differently by the commentators, by the press, by the crowd, by almost everybody..don´t keep living in denial.

Yeah, yeah...Tracy pointed the weakness Venus has.....now is she gonna ever point out the weaknesses of her beloved Maria, Kim, Justine, Jennifer?!

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LAW AND ORDER..............I'm with you, I wish people will just leave venus alone she can not please everybody................give the girl a break wish her will for the remain of the year and she will start fresh for 2005, you know this theme runs with every top sport althete if they are your favorite you will still keep on cheering them on even if they lose, so all the people say venus needs help on something it is a subjet the media shild stop with because it won't happen, the girl was winning with that forehand and people complain so much they want to see another winning know their is more different winner know and venus is in the losing chair and people still complain. good thing she does not read or listen to too much press this kind of negative talk can drive some one crazy.............good thing venus is a very smart girl!!
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Now some of these post ARE STUPID.. People don't need commentator to realize which shot is the weskest. They are professional for heaven's sake!!
excatly! i wonder when pple will realise that that's what coaches are for...

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congrats to Tracy's colleagues for supporting her. in a similar spirit Richard is supporting his daughter whom he perceived as being attacked. that's what friends and family do.

i disagree with lolo7 however: i have never heard any of the commentators EVER say that Venus had a good forehand. she has ALWAYS been criticised for this and for her pitiful second serve. what changed this week is that Tracy went on and on and on about it ad nauseam. she just wouldn't stop saying it. she said it even when others were playing -- when Venus wasn't even on the court! and it's not that she is wrong but her relentless, monotonous criticism became annoying, and clearly Richard flipped.

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One thing people should start to do: Stop living in denial.....the williams sisters get treated differently by the commentators, by the press, by the crowd, by almost everybody..don´t keep living in denial.

Yeah, yeah...Tracy pointed the weakness Venus has.....now is she gonna ever point out the weaknesses of her beloved Maria, Kim, Justine, Jennifer?!
She does point out weaknesses with Maria, Kim, Justine & Jennifer..ON Maria she said that she struggles with bein erractic on Long rallies on hardcourts but her game is suited on grass..with Kimmie she chokes on big occassions & with Jennifer ..she said she had so many chances last year to win her semis. Justine's Form has been off compared to last YEAR! Give Tracy a BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tennis people have been criticising Venus' forhand and second serve fore years. Even when she was #1. And now that she's out of the top 10 the critics like Tracy Austin and Mary Carillo will point out her deficiencies more often than before because she loses more often than she used to. Everyone should like Venus as a person because she's as likable a person as I've seen in tennis. She seems like a wonderful person. But her game is stagnating and Austin bringing up the possibility that Venus should work with an experienced professional tennis coach isn't in my opinion some kind of attack on Venus and the Williams family.

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