Venus - TennisForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:20 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,049
                     
Angry Venus

Does she even train anymore???? She isn't getting better, and her serve is terrible. She can't get a first serve in on game points and she isn't confident anymore either. On the run...her forehand is usually an easy feed for any player to eat up and she doesn't come to net on shots that she could.

I'm starting to wonder if she wants to win. On court, it doens't look like she wants to be there. I still like Venus, but she's got to get her head in the game, and her ass on the practice courts.
backhanddtl4 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: on a rock
Posts: 5,755
                     
Lindsay hasn't won yet.

I don't doubt Venus's desire to win. She might not be sure about what she needs to do to get back to a winning form. Or she might be sure what to do, but be wrong.
starr is offline  
post #3 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:24 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 3,330
                     
At this point of the year, I could care less. Has she even defeated a top 10 player this year??? She just needs to concentrate on next year, and come out firing in Australia.
jbone_0307 is offline  
post #4 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:28 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 44,005
                     
Dissapointing year for Venus....NO Sf´s at any major, losing before the SF´s for the first time at the Open.

Funny thing is that Venus has done better this year on her historically weakest surface and on her best surfaces she hasn´t done a thing.

Always bet on black!
Can you handle the truth?
The truth:
Serena Williams: Greatest African-American tennisplayer in history
21 majors:6366


Official Prince of the Royal Court
bandabou is offline  
post #5 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:45 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,049
                     
Did I mention she can't convert break points.....or return serve period
backhanddtl4 is offline  
post #6 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:48 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: on a rock
Posts: 5,755
                     
Does anyone still doubt Venus's desire to win? She fought in that last game tooth and nail. She played better there with her back against the wall than the whole match.

I don't dispute that Venus needs to improve. All players have to make their games better all the time because the game moves forward. Remain at the same level, and the game will pass you by no matter how great you are. I think Venus just doesn't exactly know what it is she needs to do.

But, the problems I see are the problems that have been there all along even when she was winning. Footwork, forehand technique, and second serve. Personally, I'd like her to work simply on footwork for about 4 months solid and see what the results were.
starr is offline  
post #7 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:51 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 44,005
                     
She works sooooo hard to get to bp and then misses the easiest balls after that......Lindsay hit tooo many second serves for her to have won that last game.

Always bet on black!
Can you handle the truth?
The truth:
Serena Williams: Greatest African-American tennisplayer in history
21 majors:6366


Official Prince of the Royal Court
bandabou is offline  
post #8 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 6th, 2004, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,049
                     
If she had desire to win, she'd work on her tactics, second serve, and forehand.
backhanddtl4 is offline  
post #9 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 12:21 AM
Team WTAworld
Senior Member
 
Venus Forever's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: New York City
Posts: 11,233
                     
Venus' return and serve just completely failed her today, although Lindsay was serving very well, but still, she was doing nothing with the second serves she was getting.

All those second serves Venus had to hit, and all those first serves Lindsay got in was what gave the advantage to Lindsay straight off the back in every rally.

The problem with Venus' serve, as I see it now, is not just the second serve (which has improved a bit), but the first serve as well. She has NO DIRECTION on the ball whatsoever, just speed. She, more often than not, hits the first serve right to her opponent, and no where near the lines, as Hawkeye showed two days ago with her match against Chanda.

If this loss doesn't inspire Venus, I don't know what to say. I mean, come on, first loss before SF at the Open, and no SF in ANY slams this year, not to mention not ONE victory over a top 10 player while they were in the top 10.

Go back to the drawing board Venus, and seriously contemplate your game.

QUEEN VEE


Good Luck: RENA, MATTEK, HAYNES, GULLICKSON, HARKLEROAD, RUBIN, GRANVILLE, LEE-WATERS, SCHNYDER, JACKSON, PERRY, KING, SUGIYAMA, PIERCE, TULYAGANOVA, IVANOVIC, KUZNETSOVA, MOLIK, DANIILIDOU, MEDINA GARRIGUES, PETROVA, PENNETTA, GOLOVIN, PEER, LI, SCHIAVONE, RAZZANO, ZVONAREVA, SPREM, SREBOTNIK, VINCI, & SAFINA
Venus Forever is offline  
post #10 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 12:25 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 3,330
                     
She just needs to start on a clean slate, next year and things will eventually come into place.
jbone_0307 is offline  
post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 01:41 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 51
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbone_0307
At this point of the year, I could care less. Has she even defeated a top 10 player this year??? She just needs to concentrate on next year, and come out firing in Australia.
Venus and Serena are no longer top contenders and nerver will be again. Best they retire and find something else to do with their time.
Butchwax is offline  
post #12 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 01:42 AM
Senior Member
 
thelittlestelf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 4,369
                     
She's been through a lot, and she could still beat most if not all of you 60 60 .

VENUSWILLIAMS

LINDSAYDAVENPORT MARTINAHINGIS SERENAWILLIAMS MONICASELES CHANDARUBIN DANIELAHANTUCHOVA JENNIFERCAPRIATI MARYPIERCE JELENADOKIC KIMCLIJSTERS ANNAKOURNIKOVA JILLCRAYBAS
thelittlestelf is offline  
post #13 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 01:44 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 1,179
 
Still a fan but I feel like Venus has had her day. Maybe one day she will have a streak like Lindsay but that's probably in the future if she sticks around.
Jasmin is offline  
post #14 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 02:03 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 934
                     
I don't know what match you were watching but it was obvious Venus wanted to win. She lost the match due to some untimely errors if you want to kick her while she is down be my guest but it is not going to serve any purpose imo. Rooting for Venus to finish off her season strong and have a great 2005.
Sportfan is offline  
post #15 of 19 (permalink) Old Sep 7th, 2004, 02:54 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 10,386
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Venus Forever
The problem with Venus' serve, as I see it now, is not just the second serve (which has improved a bit), but the first serve as well. She has NO DIRECTION on the ball whatsoever, just speed. She, more often than not, hits the first serve right to her opponent, and no where near the lines, as Hawkeye showed two days ago with her match against Chanda.

If this loss doesn't inspire Venus, I don't know what to say. I mean, come on, first loss before SF at the Open, and no SF in ANY slams this year, not to mention not ONE victory over a top 10 player while they were in the top 10.

Go back to the drawing board Venus, and seriously contemplate your game.
Tonight while I was watching this match...I said to my friend...the biggest problem for Vee in this match is her serve direction. I totally agree with you and I'm glad someone else noticed it...she rarely ever goes out wide or down the tee anymore...she hits it almost in the same spot everytime. Everyone is talking about her FH but their were lots of points tonight where her FH was amazing...she probably hit more winners off it than her BH. The problem with her FH is not as serious as it appears, she just needs to concentrate more on the shot and hit thru...whenever she tries to guide the ball...she always falters.

Another major issue tonight was that she played a tactically stupid match...she didnt move Lindsay around at all....and she was missing EASY shots left and right. I was in the stands tonight and I really wanted her to win..mostly because you could count the amount of people that were cheering for her...

I don't know how many more loses she has to endure for her to change something...but I almost feel like she should take the rest of the year off and re-examine what she wants to do because its heartbreaking watching her lose like that.

VENUS. ANA, TAY TAY. NICOLE. LAURA. KONJUH. MADISON

SERENA. MUGU. VIKA. PETKO. CARO. TIMEA. SVETA. HEATHER. KAIA. TAMIRA. FLAVIA. GEORGI. COCO. LUCIE, SLOANE. PENG. SORANA. ALICIA. JAEDA. CICI. ANETT. DANKA. DONNA. FRANCOISE.

GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN. SHENAY. DINARA. GISELA. SPREM.
BK4ever is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

Registration Image

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome