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Tennis Legend Monica Seles : The True Story

People forget.

Everyone agrees what a horrible thing it was on April 30, 1993, when deranged Steffi Graf fan Guenter Parche shoved a knife into the left shoulder of Seles, the blade a millimeter away from leaving her paralyzed. But not enough people seem to remember how dominant Seles was at the time.

She was Tiger Woods. She was Michael Jordan. In the spring of '93, Seles had taken over the game. She had ripped it out of the hands of Martina Navratilova and Graf, and she was on her way to being compared with anyone who had ever played.

From 1991-93, Seles won seven Grand Slam titles out of eight she entered, finishing second in the other. She was only 19 years old, and she seemed to be getting better.

Then there was the tournament in Hamburg, and a fan rushing behind her. There was pain, and there was blood.

And Seles would never be the same.

It was one of the greatest tragedies in the history of sport, one of the cruelest moments in the history of humanity. It was as if Parche cut into her shoulder blade and cut away all the greatness that seemed promised to her. Seles was absent from the tour for 27 months. The player she had become was gone forever.

Can you imagine what it must be like to be Seles, to lie in the dark and try to count the titles, the money, the moments that were taken from you? Can you imagine the anger that most of us would feel? The bitterness?

Ask Seles to compare herself to the old days, and she is lost for an answer. She doesn't watch what she was, she said. You don't ask her why. It would be too painful to see. Ask her if she ever thinks of what was lost during those 27 months, and she corrects you.

"You mean that one day," she says simply. "Definitely. There would be a different standing in the history books. But that wasn't my choice."

What might women's tennis have become if not for that day? In '93, Seles beat Graf in a stirring Australian final. At that point, Graf had 11 Grand Slam wins and Seles eight. Since then, Graf won 11 more hollow Grand Slams and Seles one. Go figure.....



**MONICA SELES STEAMROLLED STEFFI GRAF AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR RIVALRY WINNING 8 SLAMS TO GRAF'S 2.**

1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "That was a 92-mile-an-hour serve from Steffi, and I'd like to have gotten the radar on the return of serve. It was stronger."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Cliff Drysdale: "Graf has won eleven grand slam championships."

Mary Carillo: "Seles has played 20 less but she's already won seven of them."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "How much can you say about this woman? She is a remarkable - she has that remarkable instinct, when under the gun, when under pressure, to attack. She's got the instincts of a doberman. You know, when confronted, she attacks. It's the natural thing for her to do. I just, as I say, I've never seen her like before. I've seen great players, obviously, great champions. But time and again we've seen Monica in trouble, we've seen her play less than her best tennis, and in the end, I mean, she just basically says, 'All right, gimme the ball, gimme the ball.' And she hits winners. It's great stuff."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "[Steffi's] actually playing better than when she played in '88 and won the Grand Slam. Everyone acts as though 'Well, you know, she's got to get it back, she's got to get it back.' I actually feel that Steffi has added a lot to her game. She's a better defensive player. She's got a better first serve than she used to. I think her slice backhand really works well. I mean, I happen to think that she's a better player than she was a few years ago, but she's facing an opponent that is just remarkable, and I think that's why she doesn't have the Grand Slams titles we're used to seeing from her."
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In 1990, Monica Seles defeated GabrielaSabatini 6-4, 5-7, 3-6, 6-4, 6-2 for a first-ever five-set WTA TOURChampionships final. It was the first women's match to go five sets since theU.S. National Championships in 1901.MONICA

SELES STATS AND FACTS (Before the stabbing of the Graf fanatic)33 career titles; 258-30 career record.Grand Slam Win/Loss Record: 79-6Australian Open 21-0French Open 26-1Wimbledon 13-3U.S. Open 19-2

Seles had already won 8 Grand Slams and yet she played 20 less Grand Slams than second ranked Graf. While Graf only won 11 Grand Slams after 10 years on the women's tour.

Seles had reached the final of her last eight Grand Slams, winning seven ofthem.

Seles had a 3-1 advantage in head to head over second ranked Graf in Grand Slam Finals matches.

Seles became the youngest Grand Slam Champion in 103 years. Not since 15 year old Lottie Dod won Wimbledon in 1887 had tennis seen such a youthful champion.

Seles toppled Graf from number one ranking in March 11, 1991 making her the youngest woman to ever been ranked number one in tennis history.

Seles was the undisputed number one player in the world until the tragedy in Germany.

Seles won three consecutive French Open Crowns in 1990, 1991, 1992 , becoming the first woman to achieved that historic feat in 55 years. Hilde Sperling won from 1935-1937.

Seles won her third consecutive Austrlian Open Crown in January of 1993 beating second ranked Steffi Graf in the finals.

Since turning pro at 15, Seles has won 13 of the 35 tournaments she has entered. By comparison, in their first three full years as pros, Tracy Austin won 10 titles, Andrea Jaeger nine, Navratilova six, Sabatini five and Graf zero.

Seles has the best winning percentage at any single Grand Slam: 21-0 at theAustralian Open.

Seles ranks second behind Chris Evert (.899) in match winning percentage with an.895 average, Graf is poor third (.894).

Seles' most dominating period occurred from Jan. 1991-Feb. 21, 1993:159-12 record.929 winning percentage 22 titles 55-1 record in Grand Slam tournament matchesreached 33 of 34 finals.

Only Evert had a better first four years than Seles on the Tour in the Open era while Graf is a dissapoiting 5th.

PLAYER YEARS RECORD (%) TITLES MONEYEvert '71-74 255-25 (.911) 39 $456,212 Seles '89-92 231-25 (.902) 30 6,956,693Sabatini '85-88 232-71 (.765) 9 1,885,952Capriati '90-93 149-45 (.768) 6 1,491,823Graf '83-86 144-48 (.750) 8 841,094Navratilova '73-76 178-68 (.723) 7 352,458Sanchez Vicario '87-90 134-60 (.690) 5 1,243,030

Prior to the stabbing in 1993, Seles' last title was the VirginiaSlims of Chicago on Feb. 14, 1993 and her last Grand Slam title was at the 1993 Australian Open Championships.Prior to the tournament in Hamburg, Germany, where she was attacked during herquarterfinal match against Maggie Maleeva on April 30, 1993, Seles had notplayed on the Tour for nine weeks due to the flu. Hamburg was Seles' firsttournament back after her 63-day lay-off.

Seles surpassed the $7 million mark in career prize money in January of 1993,only the fourth woman to do so (now there are six).

Seles' title percentage of .516 (33 titles in 64 events) ranks second in theOpen era. Evert leads with a .518 average (157 of 303) and Graf is a poor third at .511(92 of 180).

Before the stabbing, Seles has lost in the first round just once in her career - 1990 inChicago to Ros Fairbank, 6-3, 6-4.
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People forget.

Everyone agrees what a horrible thing it was on April 30, 1993, when deranged Steffi Graf fan Guenter Parche shoved a knife into the left shoulder of Seles, the blade a millimeter away from leaving her paralyzed. .

...."
"A millimeter".




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....But not enough people seem to remember how dominant Seles was at the time.

She was Tiger Woods. She was Michael Jordan. In the spring of '93, Seles had taken over the game. She had ripped it out of the hands of Martina Navratilova and Graf, .

...."

Let's have a look at the 12 months before the stabbing.
Seles had a 58-5 win/loss record and had won 7 tournaments.
Graf had a 78-7 win/loss record and had won 9 tournaments.
Applying today's ranking system (that favours playing more) Graf would have been #1 in April 1993 ........
Even with the old system Graf would have been #1 in April 93 IF she had won FO 92 OR AO 93. And FO 92 was a "toss-up" (M. Seles). If the "coin" had fallen on the other side, Graf would have been #1. Accordingly Seles only had a 21 pts. lead in the ranking before Hamburg 1993. One of the closest leads ever. Therefore Graf could take over the #1 spot already 4 weeks after the stabbing. Just 4 weeks .....


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Then there was the tournament in Hamburg, and a fan rushing behind her. There was pain, and there was blood.

And Seles would never be the same.

It was one of the greatest tragedies in the history of sport, one of the cruelest moments in the history of humanity.....

...."
I think the plane crashes with AC Torino in 1949 & ManU in 1958 when two great soccer teams were destroyed were a little bit more tragic than a 1-cm knife cut.
Same with the Formula 1 crash some decades ago (Monza?) where about 70 specatators died.

"Cruelest moments in the history of humanity"?
OK, you're mocking Monica Seles. Nothing wrong about that for me ....


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N1000]In 1990, Monica Seles defeated GabrielaSabatini 6-4, 5-7, 3-6, 6-4, 6-2 for a first-ever five-set WTA TOURChampionships final. It was the first women's match to go five sets since theU.S. National Championships in 1901.MONICA

SELES STATS AND FACTS (Before the stabbing of the Graf fanatic)33 career titles; 258-30 career record.Grand Slam Win/Loss Record: 79-6Australian Open 21-0French Open 26-1Wimbledon 13-3U.S. Open 19-2

Seles had already won 8 Grand Slams and yet she played 20 less Grand Slams than second ranked Graf. While Graf only won 11 Grand Slams after 10 years on the women's tour.

Seles had reached the final of her last eight Grand Slams, winning seven ofthem.

Seles had a 3-1 advantage in head to head over second ranked Graf in Grand Slam Finals matches.

Seles became the youngest Grand Slam Champion in 103 years. Not since 15 year old Lottie Dod won Wimbledon in 1887 had tennis seen such a youthful champion.

Seles toppled Graf from number one ranking in March 11, 1991 making her the youngest woman to ever been ranked number one in tennis history.

Seles was the undisputed number one player in the world until the tragedy in Germany.

Seles won three consecutive French Open Crowns in 1990, 1991, 1992 , becoming the first woman to achieved that historic feat in 55 years. Hilde Sperling won from 1935-1937.

Seles won her third consecutive Austrlian Open Crown in January of 1993 beating second ranked Steffi Graf in the finals.

Since turning pro at 15, Seles has won 13 of the 35 tournaments she has entered. By comparison, in their first three full years as pros, Tracy Austin won 10 titles, Andrea Jaeger nine, Navratilova six, Sabatini five and Graf zero.

Seles has the best winning percentage at any single Grand Slam: 21-0 at theAustralian Open.

Seles ranks second behind Chris Evert (.899) in match winning percentage with an.895 average, Graf is poor third (.894).

Seles' most dominating period occurred from Jan. 1991-Feb. 21, 1993:159-12 record.929 winning percentage 22 titles 55-1 record in Grand Slam tournament matchesreached 33 of 34 finals.

Only Evert had a better first four years than Seles on the Tour in the Open era while Graf is a dissapoiting 5th.

PLAYER YEARS RECORD (%) TITLES MONEYEvert '71-74 255-25 (.911) 39 $456,212 Seles '89-92 231-25 (.902) 30 6,956,693Sabatini '85-88 232-71 (.765) 9 1,885,952Capriati '90-93 149-45 (.768) 6 1,491,823Graf '83-86 144-48 (.750) 8 841,094Navratilova '73-76 178-68 (.723) 7 352,458Sanchez Vicario '87-90 134-60 (.690) 5 1,243,030

Prior to the stabbing in 1993, Seles' last title was the VirginiaSlims of Chicago on Feb. 14, 1993 and her last Grand Slam title was at the 1993 Australian Open Championships.Prior to the tournament in Hamburg, Germany, where she was attacked during herquarterfinal match against Maggie Maleeva on April 30, 1993, Seles had notplayed on the Tour for nine weeks due to the flu. Hamburg was Seles' firsttournament back after her 63-day lay-off.

Seles surpassed the $7 million mark in career prize money in January of 1993,only the fourth woman to do so (now there are six).

Seles' title percentage of .516 (33 titles in 64 events) ranks second in theOpen era. Evert leads with a .518 average (157 of 303) and Graf is a poor third at .511(92 of 180).

Before the stabbing, Seles has lost in the first round just once in her career - 1990 inChicago to Ros Fairbank, 6-3, 6-4.
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And what did Seles win when she returned being just 21 years old?
In all those 9 years since then?

BTW:
"Nothing says that I would have continued to win."
(Monica Seles, on the years 1993/95)

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one of the cruelest moments in the history of humanity.
oh, please! i am fully aware that this was the single most horrible moment in seles' life - but "one of the cruelest moments in the history of humanity"? hello??????


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The only conclusion I reached after reading this is that you are an idiot. Guess what, you are not Monica Seles. I know it's hard to accept it, but after a while I'm sure you will do it.
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My dear, what is that? How many threads did we have about this, it is sad enough but one shoud not exaggerate it, I guess!
I don't even think Monica would like threads like that,
"The True Story"...Sounds more like a soap opera to me...and not very respectful for Monica as well! Where are the news? If, When, But....nobody knows!
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Do you have any idea how hard you make it to defend other Seles fans ?

It is possible to talk about Monica without insulting Steffi Graf you know .

Instead you've basically opened the floodgates .
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USOPEN100 , Calimero377 ...Now only LDTennis... is missing from the list of the morons who hasn't posted in this thread yet. Something tells me the thread will be "complete" soon
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USOPEN100 , Calimero377 ...Now only LDTennis... is missing from the list of the morons who hasn't posted in this thread yet. Something tells me the thread will be "complete" soon
you are qualified for that list too
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USOPEN100 , Calimero377 ...Now only LDTennis... is missing from the list of the morons who hasn't posted in this thread yet. Something tells me the thread will be "complete" soon

I KNEW tennisiscool would show up .....

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Melodramatic much? Yes, it was awful what happened to Seles, but you're exaggerating a bit. If you want to see "one of the cruelest moments in the history of humanity", see the photos in Non-Tennis about the Russian school siege.
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"A millimeter".







Let's have a look at the 12 months before the stabbing.
Seles had a 58-5 win/loss record and had won 7 tournaments.
Graf had a 78-7 win/loss record and had won 9 tournaments.
Applying today's ranking system (that favours playing more) Graf would have been #1 in April 1993 ........
Even with the old system Graf would have been #1 in April 93 IF she had won FO 92 OR AO 93. And FO 92 was a "toss-up" (M. Seles). If the "coin" had fallen on the other side, Graf would have been #1. Accordingly Seles only had a 21 pts. lead in the ranking before Hamburg 1993. One of the closest leads ever. Therefore Graf could take over the #1 spot already 4 weeks after the stabbing. Just 4 weeks .....




I think the plane crashes with AC Torino in 1949 & ManU in 1958 when two great soccer teams were destroyed were a little bit more tragic than a 1-cm knife cut.
Same with the Formula 1 crash some decades ago (Monza?) where about 70 specatators died.

"Cruelest moments in the history of humanity"?
OK, you're mocking Monica Seles. Nothing wrong about that for me ....



She was ustoppable until the unthinkable happened.

If I could be granted one wish for any athlete at the start of this century, it would be one last run for Monica Seles. One summer when tennis could be as meaningful to her as it once was, when she could push herself into the best shape of her young adult life, when she could grunt her way down a glorious Grand Slam road. One last summer when Seles could be unburdened of ghosts, free of her past.

Of all the enduring sports images that flashed by like a newsreel at the century's end, none could re-create the moment's visceral reality like the sight of Seles being stabbed. Nothing could recapture the range of expression, from bewilderment to pain to shock. No one in the history of sports ever experienced what Monica Seles did that terrible day in Hamburg, Germany, April 30, 1993.

Guenter Parche, 38, had shadowed top ranked Seles throughout the week-long tournament. His motive: a crazed desire to advance the fortunes of Seles' main competitor, his fellow German world number two Steffi Graf. Parche, an unemployed lathe operator, lived in his aunt's attic in Gorsbach, Thuringia, in eastern Germany, where he had created a shrine comprising posters and videos of Graf.

Parche, a stocky, balding man wearing a plaid shirt and jeans and carrying a green plastic bag, sidled down the aisle and paused behind Seles. Suddenly he raised the knife, grasping it with both hands. A spectator screamed, which seemed to alert Seles, who twisted and leaned slightly forward in her chair. The knife struck her back at an angle. Seles shrieked and leaped from her chair, and then stood with a hand clasped to her neck, an expression of abject confusion on her face.

Attempting to aid Seles, an unidentified man leaped over the barricade and onto the court and grabbed her by the shoulders. Seles, beginning to sob, collapsed against him, and he lowered her to the ground, where she was quickly surrounded by frantic officials, including chair umpire Stefan Voss, WTA tour director Lisa Grattan and trainer Madeleine Van Zoelen, and Seles's brother, Zoltan. In the meantime two guards subdued Parche and dragged him from the stadium in a headlock and half nelson, breaking his left arm in the process. The knife lay on the court next to Seles's chair, with blood visible on the blade.

Those nearest to Seles initially had no idea what had happened. The 10th-ranked Maleeva was oblivious to the approach of Parche until she heard Seles scream. Maleeva wandered to a corner of the court, dazed, and stayed there during the long minutes it took for a stretcher to arrive. "I feel guilty I didn't go to her," Maleeva said, "but I was so shocked I didn't know what to do." Grattan saw Parche approach Seles. At first she thought he had tried to choke her, and then she saw Seles grab at her back. Grattan reached Seles as she sank to the ground. Grattan saw her "bleeding profusely," as she later described it, and attempted to stanch the blood with a towel. "Am I hurt? Am I bleeding?" Seles asked Grattan.

A moment later Van Zoelen arrived with her medical kit, and a panicked Zoltan Seles also arrived on the court. He was the only member of Monica's family to attend the match; her mother, Esther, was not feeling well, and her father, Karolj, had stayed at the hotel to care for her. Zoltan took Monica's hand, shook her legs and said, "Keep moving, keep moving." Monica felt faint but was not disoriented, according to Grattan and Van Zoelen. She became silent once Zoltan arrived. "She was stunned," Van Zoelen said. "She was like the rest of us, saying things like, `It's impossible. How can this be?' " Finally Seles was put on a stretcher and, sitting upright, was wheeled out of the stadium, sobbing.

How could Seles sit down for a changeover anytime soon without wincing? "I think the real damage is to the psyche," said Martina Navratilova. One minute she was 19, innocent, and great; the next, she was wounded, grounded, and haunted. Since the stabbing, we've seen only very rare glimpses of the indomitable Seles who strung together Grand Slam titles in the early '90s like pearls on a necklace.
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Do you have any idea how hard you make it to defend other Seles fans ?

It is possible to talk about Monica without insulting Steffi Graf you know .

Instead you've basically opened the floodgates .
Steffi Graf is far from the best of all time as what some Grafians falsely claims in this board . In the middle of her career she was not even the best player because of a teenage girl with 2 hands off both sides who won 10 of the 12 biggest events in a 2.5 year period between October 1990 and April 1993 when a jealous Graf fan resorted to stabbing the young Seles in the back with a knife because she was so dominant in women's tennis as the teenage #1.

To be the best, you have to be the best -- the most dominant -- in the middle of your career. If you are not CLEARLY the very, very best of your era (the small 10% or so of the entire 130 year history of the sport) ... then HOW can you be the best of all time?

You have to be the undisputed best player of your era -- and in the MIDDLE of your career (which Steffi Graf most obviously was not in the 30 months running from October 1990 through April 1993 when the #1 teenager was stabbed in the back with a sharp knife by a Graf fan) -- if you want to even be in the running for consideration as the all-time greatest.

MONICA SELES TROUNCED STEFFI GRAF AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR RIVALRY WINNING 8 SLAMS TO GRAF'S 2.

1999 Roland Garros, 3rd Round

Chris Evert: "[Monica] then really got cheated out of a lot of Grand Slams. She was really dominating women's tennis, dominating Steffi Graf. As I said before, she won seven out of eight Grand Slams and then got stabbed and was out for 27 months. Her assailant got his wish, that Steffi Graf be Number One, and sure enough, Steffi regained the Number One position when Monica was out of the game. So he got his wish."

Dick Enberg: "Who knows how many titles she would own had she remained in full health?"

Chris Evert: "Well, a lot more than nine Grand Slams, I'll tell you that. That's so not fair, when you look at Steffi's 21 and Monica's nine, it's very unbalanced, and it shouldn't be."

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"A millimeter".







Let's have a look at the 12 months before the stabbing.
Seles had a 58-5 win/loss record and had won 7 tournaments.
Graf had a 78-7 win/loss record and had won 9 tournaments.
Applying today's ranking system (that favours playing more) Graf would have been #1 in April 1993 ........
Even with the old system Graf would have been #1 in April 93 IF she had won FO 92 OR AO 93. And FO 92 was a "toss-up" (M. Seles). If the "coin" had fallen on the other side, Graf would have been #1. Accordingly Seles only had a 21 pts. lead in the ranking before Hamburg 1993. One of the closest leads ever. Therefore Graf could take over the #1 spot already 4 weeks after the stabbing. Just 4 weeks .....




I think the plane crashes with AC Torino in 1949 & ManU in 1958 when two great soccer teams were destroyed were a little bit more tragic than a 1-cm knife cut.
Same with the Formula 1 crash some decades ago (Monza?) where about 70 specatators died.

"Cruelest moments in the history of humanity"?
OK, you're mocking Monica Seles. Nothing wrong about that for me ....


Steffi Graf's Career in a Nutshell.......



Gunther Parche
and WEAK Competition once Seles was gone.


OBTW I would not now how to answer this question either if I was S. G

Q:Steffi say 20 years from now when someone looks at the record books and sees that you have won 3/4 slam.If someone mentions that to you would you say thank you or would you say yeah but I did it without the best player being around?

Graf: I dont Know



The best COMBINATION in the history of women's singles HAS TO BE Gunther Parche and Steffi Graf.
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" I just haven't quite figured out how to beat her"..........

------Steffi Graf.......
after her loss to Monica Seles at the Australian Open Finals, 1993.......

Maybe you're just too OBSESSED with Stefanie Graf that you have this delusional sick idea that Graf was ever better than Seles.
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