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Was Athens a warning sign for things to come for women's American tennis?

With Lisa and Martina now out of the Olympics, I am beginning to wonder if the American's poor performance in Athens is a warning sign of things to come in the next 10 years?

I have to be honest, I have been trying hard not to buy in to the opinions that the U.S. is losing it's clout in tennis. When several American veterans failed to get to any medal round of an Olympic event, it makes me wonder what is gonna happen in China in 2008 and in the future.

Am I just being paranoid? Or is this a serious issue that the USTA needs totally focus on. Maybe I am just sad for the lack of good results but either way it's an issue to think about.

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post #2 of 34 (permalink) Old Aug 19th, 2004, 09:18 PM
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I totally agree. American women's tennis is going to be in trouble when Venus, Serena, Lindsay and Jen retire. In 5 years time I think all of them will be off the tour and I can't see who's going to take over. Atleast America still has some really good young players in the mens game.
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It is. But even without Athens it's not hard to predict that US tennis will be in trouble in a few years.
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Women's American tennis has been exceptionnal, with so many great players... Linsday, Jennifer, Venus, Serena, Monica, ... However it can't always stay that way. Let's just wait in 5 years, so many things can happen, and new U.S. stars might appear on the Tour.
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The new stars are just not appearing.

Sabine Lisicki, Maria Sharapova, Elena Dementieva,

Victoria Azarenka, Dinara Safina, Maria Kirilenko

Nadia Petrova, Samantha Stosur, Ana Ivanovic.

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It's so weird though. America is training every other countries players. They should put all the money into their own girls.
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American girls just don't have the work ethic that the Eastern European girls do. When Serena retires, that will be the death knoll for American women's tennis. By then, the Russians will have like 8 of the top 10 spots .

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It's so weird though. America is training every other countries players. They should put all the money into their own girls.
What girls?
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It's so weird though. America is training every other countries players. They should put all the money into their own girls.
why is it weird?

its part of the american dream.

the gov't doesnt pay for the training. its private companies. and they can do as they please. if they see a player with more talent and potential from a foreign country, why wouldnt they want to train them?


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What girls?
I kept saying that in the US Open WC thing. Everyone was like, "blah blah blah Stevenson is so bad, she will be roadkill for everyone in the main draw blah blah blah, they should have given the WC to our "up and coming" players." I am sorry, but we have ZERO girls under 18 in the top 200. If you increase the threshold to under 20, that leaves us with three. We have no up and comers, no girls worthy of the cash and coaching recieved by hardworking talents like Vaidisova and Golovin.

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Well, it's this kinda what everybody on the board wants? The latest form of American dominance was the Williams Sisters. Their existence, along with JenCap's, totally brought out the madness. In fact, there are posters who have screen names that do nothing but post mean post about the Sisters (no other players have that issue on this board).

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What girls?
Steffi & Andre's girl

Seriously, Monica & Martin N weren't born Amercians. That's an altrernate to growing your own talents. Could Maria be the next import?
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By the way, the Americans are spoiled by years of dominating the tour. We poor neighbours to the north have only one successful player in recent years and guess what - She played for FRANCE!
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To put the Olympics into context, the US team lost 2 of their top 2 players before events got underway. I'm not saying Serena or Jen would have won, but had they been fit, chances are one of them may have medalled.

As for the future, well, let's look at the current crop. Taking Lindsay out and leaving Jen, Venus and Serena, these guys are products not of a training system at national level, but of insistent fathers who pushed their kids in the absence of weekly lessons down the tennis club. In all honesty, can we say they came through a tennis system put forward by the USTA? No. Probably not. I know Jen had a USTA coach back in the early 90s but they got on the bandwagon long after she'd made her breakthrough.

Question for the Americans, what is your national programme like? Is it likely to produce future stars? Has it in the past? If not, is it possible that you got lucky with some strong-willed parents and reaped the benefits there? I'm not familiar with the system so that's why I'm asking.

Just a happy thought though, back in the mid to late 90s, Jen was elsewhere, Lindsay was yet to win big, Monica was out (and not yet a US citizen I think, not sure) and Venus and Serena were still to hit the tour. A few years later, you dominated the Slams winning 11 consecutive titles from the middle of 2000, unless my maths and memory are wrong. Anything can happen.

Also, do you think the potential talent is pushed aside by poor TV coverage or is there enough broadcasted to keep casual observers interested?


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Just a happy thought though, back in the mid to late 90s, Jen was elsewhere, Lindsay was yet to win big, Monica was out (and not yet a US citizen I think, not sure) and Venus and Serena were still to hit the tour. A few years later, you dominated the Slams winning 11 consecutive titles from the middle of 2000, unless my maths and memory are wrong. Anything can happen.
Yes, but, at that time V&S were already known. Venus played her first pro match at the age of 14 and won a set to #2 ranked player. People were already talking about them. Lindsay was a great junior player and she beat Sabatini in her first pro tournament, reaching the finals of WTA Championships in her first full year on tour. I don't see something like that happening now.
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