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Monica: She had Steffi's # from 90-92 71 41.76%
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post #1 of 264 (permalink) Old Aug 16th, 2004, 09:44 PM Thread Starter
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#1 Tournament: Graf vs. Seles

Ok, here is the 2nd Semi, the differential for the 1st semi made it obvious Nav will win, plus, i want this one started so i'll be around when it finishes. Ok, so we're on to the classic matchup of Monica and Steffi. Remember, we're trying to use the most critical match they played in their H2H to gauge, or we can also use general H2H, or we can use some other ideas, but who would win this matchup is the critical point. Here is the progression of the draw:
Graf def. BYE
Davenport def. Austin
Seles def. Clijsters
Hingis def. V. Williams
Evert def. BYE
S. Williams def. Sanchez-Vicario
Henin-Hardenne def. Capriati
Navratilova def. BYE
leading to:
Graf def. Davenport
Seles def. Hingis
Evert def. S. Williams
Navratilova def. Henin-Hardenne
to now:
Graf vs. Seles
Navratilova def. Evert

Ok, Steffi leads H2H 10-5. Go on that. Enjoy!

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I don't get this but anyways... Steffi would be the winner I think...

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this one is SO hard, if is stick to my guns, i have to pick Monica, because i need to select the 92 French as the critical matchup (since people voted it greates match of all time), but i think that i need to refute the "if monica got stabbed argument" by saying, steffi always figured out opponents after a loss or two, she never got steamrolled by ANYONE consistently, and i think that it could be true if Seles wasn't stabbed, and i hate taking away steffi's greatness because of it, however, i also believe in consistency in my selection process, and i also believe that monica of 92 is so incredible i can select her with no (or at least few) regrets, i think i'm going monica here in a CLASSIC. if i go the surface by surface way: steffi=grass, monica=clay, hard=monica, steffi=indoor, so i can't really pick there...i'm gonna stick monica, very very tough

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Graf has been the greatest though...

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i agree duiz, steffi probably has the best career overall, but this is about the matchup, and also, although i never liked monica, in fact i never liked serena or venus either, but i still understand their greatness and am able to select a person solely on matchup disregarding personal opinion as much as possible

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aga, vika, sam, na in the next tier
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i agree duiz, steffi probably has the best career overall, but this is about the matchup, and also, although i never liked monica, in fact i never liked serena or venus either, but i still understand their greatness and am able to select a person solely on matchup disregarding personal opinion as much as possible
What is this for anyways?

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-Critical match is AO '93. Seles wins in 3 semi-tough sets. (Also consider '91 AO, which Seles wins and Graf loses in QF).

-Equally critical -- Seles wins U.S. Open in '91-'92 and Virginia Slims from '90-'92 while Graf loses earlier.

-Thus, on the 2 most democratic surfaces, Seles dominates the major events in her prime while Graf does virtually nothing while in her prime.

-Throw out Wimbledon b/c Graf was clearly better on grass.

-Throw out the French b/c Monica was clearly better on clay.
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Gaf is jsut unbeatable!

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Also, for those picking Graf, what would you consider the critical match-up? And I don't see how either Wimbledon match could qualify.
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come on STEFFI fans time to vote. By the way Monica did not exactly have Steffi's# from 90-92. Their head to head was even during that time period. Steffi by far is the greater player, champion and athlete.
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she is the best!

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YourBoyDan, their head-to-head was even only b/c Graf kept losing before Seles could beat her (see U.S. Open '91-'92 and Virginia Slims '90-'93).

And what's the critical metch-up?
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Monica all the way.

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No contest. Monica wins. She is better then steffi. always was and always will be.




















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