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Tashkent 1R: [6] Krunic def. Hogenkamp 76(5) 60

Not a single break in set 1. Tough draw for Richel who had a great week in Seoul.

Aleks is going to face Cepelova next and probably Zvonareva in QF, so it's a tough road. Is this the first time she is a seed at a WTA tour event?
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Not a single break in set 1. Tough draw for Richel who had a great week in Seoul.

Aleks is going to face Cepelova next and probably Zvonareva in QF, so it's a tough road. Is this the first time she is a seed at a WTA tour event?
Yeah, I am pretty sure this is indeed the 1st time Aleks has ever been seeded at WTA event. But it sure won't be the last. I believe before this event the largest event Aleks had been seeded for was a 100K tournament. So, yeah, another new landmark for Aleks.

It was a tough draw for Richel it's true. She has been playing well and just reached her 1st career semifinal the week before. I think had she had a kinder draw here she could have easily gotten one or two wins here as well.

She put up great resistance against Aleks in the 1st set. Aleks had lots of break points in the 1st set but Richel warded them all off. In contrast Richel never made any inroads in Aleks' service games. And once Aleks won the TB, it was smooth sailing for Aleks.

The three best things about today's match for Aleks were: 1) She looked a lot more eager and passionate than she did in the early stages last week. Although she did play well last week, she often looked tired and frustrated. Today she looked a lot more positive. 2) Aleks served extremely well. In 9 service games plus a TB, she lost a total of just 10 points on serve. She won 80% of her service points and was never even remotely threatened on her serve. 3) Aleks' movement today was just insane. She really is covering the court as well as anyone in the game right now. It's a joy to watch.

I wasn't sure what to expect of today's match. Aleks looked tired after her great effort in Guangzhou and the trip to Tashkent is a very long one. It is pretty common for players to lose in the 1st round after a week when they reached a final, and it is particularly common with players who haven't reached a lot of finals. And of course Richel has been playing well of late and prior to the start of the match she looked capable of causing an upset if Aleks was off her game. So it is was great to see Aleks play this match with such determination, focus and eagerness. It was clear watching this match that despite all the success Aleks has had lately, she is still very hungry and wants more. That is really good to see.

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Re: Tashkent 1R: [6] Krunic def. Hogenkamp 76(5) 60

I understand a lot of girls schedule quite far in advance, but it seems really stupid for Krunic to play here instead of Wuhan. She's been having great results since that tragic QFR loss at Wimbledon, and her US Hard Court form was exceptional even in Cincinatti.

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Re: Tashkent 1R: [6] Krunic def. Hogenkamp 76(5) 60

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I understand a lot of girls schedule quite far in advance, but it seems really stupid for Krunic to play here instead of Wuhan. She's been having great results since that tragic QFR loss at Wimbledon, and her US Hard Court form was exceptional even in Cincinatti.
I actually think this was the right decision. Had Aleks played Wuhan she would have had to qualify. With qualifying starting on Saturday, the same day as Guangzhou finished, she would have had to fly over to Wuhan and then play 2 qualifying matches on Sunday. Then she might very well have gotten a tough 1st round draw as well. And having played two matches the previous day, that would have been very tough to navigate.

I think Aleks' schedule is perfect for her for where she is right now. Tashkent is a charming tournament and it provides her the opportunity to build momentum and keep winning. The goal for Aleks right now must surely be that she finishes the year with as positive a ranking as possible to ensure she is able to enter all the big tournaments next year directly without having to qualify.

Aleks has played a lot of qualifying matches over the last three or four years. Over the first 5 months of this year, Aleks won 15 matches. But 13 of them were in qualifying and at the end of those 5 months she had very little to show for all her effort in terms of ranking points. These matches take a lot out of a player and they provide little in the way of ranking points or money. One can end up knocking oneself out in qualifying in a couple of tough matches and then have nothing left once in the main draw. Enough is enough. After this year, Aleks' ranking will be at a place where she won't need to play anymore qualifying and she can enter all the big tournaments directly. Wuhan and Beijing came too early for her to be able to enter them directly this year. It was a smart decision to enter the tournaments she could enter directly rather than those she could only enter through qualifying. But I'm sure next year Aleks will be able to get direct entry into all the tournaments and we will see her in Wuhan and Beijing then.

Maybe if Wuhan had offered Aleks a WC rather than giving one to Jil Teichmann, maybe then she would have played.
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Vulturing will do her no good except maybe improve her ranking 10 spots. Krunic is a player with a huge amount of potential, she could be top 10 in the future. She should test herself against the big girls, it will help her a lot one day.

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I understand a lot of girls schedule quite far in advance, but it seems really stupid for Krunic to play here instead of Wuhan. She's been having great results since that tragic QFR loss at Wimbledon, and her US Hard Court form was exceptional even in Cincinatti.
Not stupid at all. She could easily lose early in a stacked Wuhan field. Here, she has a shot at going all the way. The chance of her getting significant points are greater here.

Would she even have had Direct Entry to the Wuhan MD?
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Vulturing will do her no good except maybe improve her ranking 10 spots. Krunic is a player with a huge amount of potential, she could be top 10 in the future. She should test herself against the big girls, it will help her a lot one day.
She will. I'm sure next year she will play all the big tournaments, don't worry.

I could just as easily ask you why Anett played Guangzhou last week rather than Tokyo but I will let it pass. A player moving up the rankings needs to play some big tournaments but it is also good for them to mix it up with some smaller ones as well. So actually I don't have a problem with Anett playing Guangzhou. Had she done well there it would have put her in a good position to get into Zhuhai. There are many good reasons for a player to once in a while not select the biggest tournament of the week to play.

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Win this shit, Aleks!
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Not stupid at all. She could easily lose early in a stacked Wuhan field. Here, she has a shot at going all the way. The chance of her getting significant points are greater here.

Would she even have had Direct Entry to the Wuhan MD?
Exactly.

To answer the question, Aleks did not get direct entry into Wuhan. She would have had to play the qualifying.

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She will. I'm sure next year she will play all the big tournaments, don't worry.

I could just as easily ask you why Anett played Guangzhou last week rather than Tokyo but I will let it pass. A player moving up the rankings needs to play some big tournaments but it is also good for them to mix it up with some smaller ones as well. So actually I don't have a problem with Anett playing Guangzhou. Had she done well there it would have put her in a good position to get into Zhuhai. There are many good reasons for a player to once in a while not select the biggest tournament of the week to play.
Even though the tournament scheduling of one of my favourites is not at all salient in this discussion and completely irrelevant to my OP, I will respond

Kontaveit played Guangzhou because she won no matches since Gstaad the week after Wimbledon. Kontaveit also has no lacking in experience against top players this year, basically all her losses were against Top 25 players until the last few weeks. Guangzhou is a convenient alternative to Tokyo that Anett has played a lot and had good success in, and the conditions being very similar to Wuhan would have been another draw card. The level of tournament is relatively comparable to Tokyo, although Tokyo is obviously stronger.

Tashkent on the other hand cannot at all be compared with Wuhan. 95% of the Wuhan MD would win Tashkent if they played it. Krunic also has played a lot of matches, she doesn't need to gain confidence playing below her level. As we saw with Sakkari and Linette today, Qualifiers in Wuhan can win big, and both those girls have had nothing on Krunic's form in the past weeks. Of course she is completely within her rights to play Tashkent, she might even get a first WTA title out of it. But she doesn't really gain anything from playing below her level, and the amount more she could potentially gain in Wuhan is obvious. When she's going for a Top 10 win at a Slam, the experience of beating lowly ranked girls in Uzbekistan won't help her. Consistently Top 20 players in a P5 event? That could very well help. It's one thing to upend players like Konta and Kvitova in a huge upset, but to beat them consistently is something that requires experience and exposure. Playing Tashkent will never give her that, and that's why it's a poor decision. Why do you think (with the exception of some serial, past-it vultures) nearly every other player at her rank is playing Wuhan? None of the girls in this field (with the possible exception of Vondrousova) will ever rise to the upper echelons of the game. Vultures don't win big, they collapse when it matters. Just look at Wozniacki and Radwanska in Slams.
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Even though the tournament scheduling of one of my favourites is not at all salient in this discussion and completely irrelevant to my OP, I will respond

Kontaveit played Guangzhou because she won no matches since Gstaad the week after Wimbledon. Kontaveit also has no lacking in experience against top players this year, basically all her losses were against Top 25 players until the last few weeks. Guangzhou is a convenient alternative to Tokyo that Anett has played a lot and had good success in, and the conditions being very similar to Wuhan would have been another draw card. The level of tournament is relatively comparable to Tokyo, although Tokyo is obviously stronger.

Tashkent on the other hand cannot at all be compared with Wuhan. 95% of the Wuhan MD would win Tashkent if they played it. Krunic also has played a lot of matches, she doesn't need to gain confidence playing below her level. As we saw with Sakkari and Linette today, Qualifiers in Wuhan can win big, and both those girls have had nothing on Krunic's form in the past weeks. Of course she is completely within her rights to play Tashkent, she might even get a first WTA title out of it. But she doesn't really gain anything from playing below her level, and the amount more she could potentially gain in Wuhan is obvious. When she's going for a Top 10 win at a Slam, the experience of beating lowly ranked girls in Uzbekistan won't help her. Consistently Top 20 players in a P5 event? That could very well help. It's one thing to upend players like Konta and Kvitova in a huge upset, but to beat them consistently is something that requires experience and exposure. Playing Tashkent will never give her that, and that's why it's a poor decision. Why do you think (with the exception of some serial, past-it vultures) nearly every other player at her rank is playing Wuhan? None of the girls in this field (with the possible exception of Vondrousova) will ever rise to the upper echelons of the game. Vultures don't win big, they collapse when it matters. Just look at Wozniacki and Radwanska in Slams.
You don't need to make excuses for Anett. I haven't suggested there is anything wrong with Anett playing Guangzhou.

Aleks has proven she can beat a top 10 player at a slam. She doesn't need the confidence. But she could do with a few more ranking points to ensure that next year she does not need to waste her time and energy playing qualifying matches.

I don't need to respond to the rest of this because it is baloney.
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She has 0 WTA titles to her name and only made her maiden final in Guangzhou last week - not exactly the most packed tournament of the year - so it's pretty reasonable to play Tashkent: if she's so above this level, she should win it easily and then proceed to enter bigger events after a smart scheduling and having proved herself in MMs. If she doesn't win, then it'd still be a smart choice not to have aimed too high too soon by playing Wuhan.
Besides this, many Wuhan survivors (Linette, Sakkari, Lepchenko, but also Barty, Wang, Puig, Cornet...) would have a tough time to win Tashkent: the likes of Vondrousova, lesser Pliskova, Malek, Babos, Cepelova and Krunic herself are more than capable to beat such opposition on any given day.
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She has 0 WTA titles to her name and only made her maiden final in Guangzhou last week - not exactly the most packed tournament of the year - so it's pretty reasonable to play Tashkent: if she's so above this level, she should win it easily and then proceed to enter bigger events after a smart scheduling and having proved herself in MMs. If she doesn't win, then it'd still a smart choice not to have aimed too high too soon by playing Wuhan.
Besides this, many Wuhan survivors (Linette, Sakkari, Lepchenko, but also Barty, Wang, Puig, Cornet...) would have a tough time to win Tashkent: the likes of Vondrousova, lesser Pliskova, Malek, Babos, Cepelova and Krunic herself are more than capable to beat such opposition on any given day.
With the exception of Vondrousova and Krunic, I find it exceptionally hard to believe you would bet on any of the Tashkent girls against any of the Wuhan girls based on current form.

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You don't need to make excuses for Anett. I haven't suggested there is anything wrong with Anett playing Guangzhou.

Aleks has proven she can beat a top 10 player at a slam.

I don't need to respond to the rest of this because it is baloney.
You attempted to equate their decisions, which cannot be equated.

Aleks has not proven she can consistently contend with these girls, read my post properly. And if she is so able to compete with Top 10 players, why not play Wuhan?

The rest isn't "baloney", you've just been exposed

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With the exception of Vondrousova and Krunic, I find it exceptionally hard to believe you would bet on any of the Tashkent girls against any of the Wuhan girls based on current form.



You attempted to equate their decisions, which cannot be equated.

Aleks has not proven she can consistently contend with these girls, read my post properly. And if she is so able to compete with Top 10 players, why not play Wuhan?

The rest isn't "baloney", you've just been exposed
Exposed of what?

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You don't need to make excuses for Anett. I haven't suggested there is anything wrong with Anett playing Guangzhou.

Aleks has proven she can beat a top 10 player at a slam. She doesn't need the confidence. But she could do with a few more ranking points to ensure that next year she does not need to waste her time and energy playing qualifying matches.

I don't need to respond to the rest of this because it is baloney.
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She isn't highly ranked enough to get into the top level tournaments.

It is smart to play at least one more 250.
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