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My Family's Fight For Equality by Casey Dellacqua

This caught my attention today when it was retweeted by CoCo Vandeweghe...

I usually don't post articles like this in GM. However, in this case i feel that with all of the articles that have been posted in GM lately about Margaret Court's views that it's only fair to showcase Casey's point of view as well...

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Notice how Dellacqua says that she and Amanda "have that lifetime relationship to each other through our kids".

Who are the genetic fathers of these two children that Dellacqua and her lesbian partner are raising? Will these children be permitted to have a relationship with their father? Will they be allowed to know where they came from? Or will the identity of the father be kept hidden, in order to reinforce the claim that "all families are equal"?

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Notice how Dellacqua says that she and Amanda "have that lifetime relationship to each other through our kids".

Who are the genetic fathers of these two children that Dellacqua and her lesbian partner are raising? Will these children be permitted to have a relationship with their father? Will they be allowed to know where they came from? Or will the identity of the father be kept hidden, in order to reinforce the claim that "all families are equal"?
Do you ask these questions of all adoptive parents?

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Notice how Dellacqua says that she and Amanda "have that lifetime relationship to each other through our kids".

Who are the genetic fathers of these two children that Dellacqua and her lesbian partner are raising? Will these children be permitted to have a relationship with their father? Will they be allowed to know where they came from? Or will the identity of the father be kept hidden, in order to reinforce the claim that "all families are equal"?
I think you are making a lot of assumptions here. But just so you know, being the genetic parent does not automatically make you the better parent.

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Those questions ought to be asked of every adoptive parent. Every single one.

That includes rich white het couples adopting Asian or African kids. There is a lot of abuse in the developing world, driven by the fact that Western white couples will pay a lot of money to adopt kids.

It also includes those who adopt out of the foster care system. Even when kids are removed from their biological parents because of abuse, it is only further abuse to conceal from them the identity of their own flesh and blood.

Behind most adoptions, there is a tragedy. Adoption can be a beautiful thing and a mercy. But there is always tragedy behind it: the death of parents, or terrible failures or crimes against parenthood.

My God, has no one here even read Harry Potter? You think I'm just making this up?


But what Casey Dellacqua and her partner Amanda have done is most likely worse. For while adoption of orphans from the third world can sometimes mean that children are stolen from their biological parents, it doesn't always. But the use of sperm donation makes orphans **by design**. It is often INTENDED that the child never know her father. Hence, Dellacqua and Amanda are not reaching out to a child touched by tragedy, as those who adopt an orphan or a child of abuse. No, they have inflicted the tragedy for their own purposes.

We are now seeing the children of such marriages coming to adulthood. They are not happy, and they are speaking out about it.

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Notice how Dellacqua says that she and Amanda "have that lifetime relationship to each other through our kids".

Who are the genetic fathers of these two children that Dellacqua and her lesbian partner are raising? Will these children be permitted to have a relationship with their father? Will they be allowed to know where they came from? Or will the identity of the father be kept hidden, in order to reinforce the claim that "all families are equal"?
it's a tricky issue but for me it shouldn't be different to normal course of adoption/fostering in terms of 'contact/access' to biological parent once they reach a certain age, usually 18. At least they should be told about their status as being adopted from a young age, say 6-8. Obviously kids will grow up knowing that they had to be produced biological through a mother and father, and they will be curious about their identity at some stage, especially so if they have two mothers or two fathers raising them.

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But what Casey Dellacqua and her partner Amanda have done is most likely worse. For while adoption of orphans from the third world can sometimes mean that children are stolen from their biological parents, it doesn't always. But the use of sperm donation makes orphans **by design**. It is often INTENDED that the child never know her father. Hence, Dellacqua and Amanda are not reaching out to a child touched by tragedy, as those who adopt an orphan or a child of abuse. No, they have inflicted the tragedy for their own purposes.

We are now seeing the children of such marriages coming to adulthood. They are not happy, and they are speaking out about it.
I can agree with you on the pitfalls related to adoption, and further, the fact that anyone can donate sperm casually (which draws many ethical issues independent of the responsible parent to start with). I think this 'subversion' of nature (I use this term very loosely, reproductive technologies are as you said, a blessing and a curse) is tough to handle, because it is so easy to churn out babies or use surrogates for 'industrial' purposes. However I would be careful not to lay the issue directly on the carers, who may simply be ignorant to the circumstances surrounding the adoptive process. Certainly there's a lot the carers are not told. It's a wider ethical issue outside of their control and the best they can do is to look after the child and make them feel at ease growing up. In the case of adoption, certainly if one looks at it this way, at least the child has someone to look after them, rather than no one. I am a bit more sketchy when it comes to course of 'selecting' someone to produce a child from scratch and I tend not to agree with this practice, unless we are talking about a couple who have tried to conceive but without success. What should be paramount is that adoptive parents or recipients of sperm donations/surrogacy understand what they are getting into, the challenges the child will face as a consequence, and how to place the welfare of the child incumbent as a priority.

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I'm not suggesting that we interrupt the parent-child relationships of same sex couples and their adopted kids. Obviously, they should love their kids and take care of them.

My objection is to the practices that go into making that situation in the first place: sperm donation, in vitro fertilization, surrogacy, etc.

I have kids, and I owe them love and care because they are my flesh and blood. They are not projects and products of my will, summoned into existence by my choosing and the application of technology. Rather, they are gifts of God and the fruit of the love between their mother and me. That's the way it ought to be.

Is it that way all the time? Of course not. Some biological parents are abusive. Some are drug addicts. Some die while their child is an infant. There are tragedies, and adoption can be a beautiful attempt to mend such tragedies.

But we ought not to approve of those who inflict on any child the loss of relationship with her father.
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I have white friends in Ohio who have adopted three kids from Ethiopia. They have given a tremendous amount of time and thought to how they can ensure that their kids have relationships with their extended birth family in Ethiopia. (This, despite the death of the biological mother and father.) It's that important to know where you come from and who your biological and genetic parents are. Adopted kids whose parents are dead or who can never know them experience a huge psychological challenge.
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Notice how Dellacqua says that she and Amanda "have that lifetime relationship to each other through our kids".

Who are the genetic fathers of these two children that Dellacqua and her lesbian partner are raising? Will these children be permitted to have a relationship with their father? Will they be allowed to know where they came from? Or will the identity of the father be kept hidden, in order to reinforce the claim that "all families are equal"?
Disgusting. This is something ALL parents of adoptive children deal with, and it's completely their choice. This has nothing to do with same sex couples exclusively and is part of a wider discussion on adoption regardless of sexual orientation.

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For once, I would love to see the LGBT partisans on the receiving end of their favorite label-and-dismiss gambit.

"Orphan-makers" might fit.

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Elaborate how two suitable parents who must be extensively police checked, who adopt children who are actual orphans and/or seek voluntary donors are in your words: "orphan-makers"

Wouldn't an orphan maker be a heterosexual couple who are unfit to raise children, living on government aid and spend their money on drugs, alcohol and cigarettes, because they can make a baby anywhere anytime? THAT is more detrimental to a child than finding a home with two loving parents fit to raise a child, who are obliged to keep contact with the biological parents should they wish.
Oh, but according to him lesbians and gays don't love their children. They're just "ornaments they use in their quest to kill every semblance of decency under their rainbow steamroller".

But he's totally not a bigot.
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Oh, but according to him lesbians and gays don't love their children. They're just "ornaments they use in their quest to kill every semblance of decency under their rainbow steamroller".

But he's totally not a bigot.
Just obviously using twisted logic to justify his hatred I'm going to assume he voted for Trump

Casey and her partner obviously love their children, it's a lovely story in light of our upcoming vote on same sex marriage

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