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coming soon: no more line judges

Thank you. Some of us have been calling for this. In this century, it's awkward to have someone screaming "OUT". Just put the lines on cameras and let the camera make the calls. Pretty simple.
Players should not be asked to challenge calls... and lose points if they run out of challenges.. That's stupid. The point should go to the player who won it.

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Great news !!!!! Hope this will be implemented on most courts in a few years.
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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

So what will happen to the talent pool for chair umpires? All chair umpires start out as line judges. If the goal in the future is 100% hawk-eye, then where will the next generation of qualified chair umpires come from?
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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

Great news. Hope this works fine. The challenge is way better than nothing but it still can every once in a while leads to problems. And well, a line judge once died, so there's that.

But it's kind of funny isn't it, while Tournaments are even trying to cut even more the human error some grand (or maybe not so grand) slam still live in the stone age without even the basic Hawk eye.
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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

It's a long way off from full implementation. sure, the technology is there. But the cost is a factor

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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

They also talk of experimenting with 4 games winning a set. Terrible idea, there.

I do think electronic line calling is a positive advancement. Shortening sets is not. They must think younger fans have short annention spans, which is probably largely true.

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They also talk of experimenting with 4 games winning a set. Terrible idea, there.

I do think electronic line calling is a positive advancement. Shortening sets is not. They must think younger fans have short annention spans, which is probably largely true.
I agree, tennis's scoring system is one of its strengths. Extending on-court coaching is a bad idea too. Thy should scrap it in the WTA.

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So what will happen to the talent pool for chair umpires? All chair umpires start out as line judges. If the goal in the future is 100% hawk-eye, then where will the next generation of qualified chair umpires come from?
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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

Intriguing. It seems like a positive idea.
I don't agree with shortening sets and sudden death deuce points? The no AD scoring is fine in doubles, but I don't think I'd like it for singles.

Axe on court coaching all together.

I'm fine with not counting lets, that can get pretty annoying.
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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

Terrible idea. Having people around is a part of the atmosphere. Line judges have their own role in the game, it's not just giving calls. If you remove them and the chair umpires, everything would lack intensity and being artificial. Is pre-recorded applause the next step so that players feel comfortable with each point?
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Terrible idea. Having people around is a part of the atmosphere. Line judges have their own role in the game, it's not just giving calls. If you remove them and the chair umpires, everything would lack intensity and being artificial. Is pre-recorded applause the next step so that players feel comfortable with each point?
I´m not really in favour of this either. It´s one way to build a fanbase, too. The current hawkeye system works just fine and the drama of the occasional challenge adds to the game.

I can already see the drama between hawkeye and the screaming Maria, Vika and Co. unfolding

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Hello. I´m trying to make an out call.

Bitches shut the fuck up. I´m making a call.

F*cking hell. I´m going to take the ball and shove it down your throats, if you don´t shut the f*** up.

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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

Great news, line judges are not needed if such technology is available and they make too many wrong calls all the time often on big points.
Very good change.
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Re: coming soon: no more line judges

Good to eliminate subjective calls, but I think they are developing a deadend technology with cameras. Shock sensors inserted into surface (below its finishing layers) along the lines would be more precise and ultimately much cheaper
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Good to eliminate subjective calls, but I think they are developing a deadend technology with cameras. Shock sensors inserted into surface (below its finishing layers) along the lines would be more precise and ultimately much cheaper
Well here's the only dilemma. You need a threshold call for "out". You could put a sensor around the edge lines so that when the ball contacts it, an OUT is called. But it would have be accurate enough to judge within about 2mm and not give false alarms, and secondly, you need to differentiate the contact of say the athlete stepping around the baseline. Also the out call would only be made if the ball contacted the region near the lines. You would still need someone to call the ball out if it is further (though there is less dispute about the status, I suppose, but someone still has to call a ball out...).
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Well here's the only dilemma. You need a threshold call for "out". You could put a sensor around the edge lines so that when the ball contacts it, an OUT is called. But it would have be accurate enough to judge within about 2mm and not give false alarms, and secondly, you need to differentiate the contact of say the athlete stepping around the baseline. Also the out call would only be made if the ball contacted the region near the lines. You would still need someone to call the ball out if it is further (though there is less dispute about the status, I suppose, but someone still has to call a ball out...).
To fine-tune a processing program for a matrix of sensors to differentiate a touch of one and no touch of the neighbor is by many miles an easier task than to spot a line touch by a fast-moving ball on a camera from many meters away, at times with view blocked by players feet.
Also the computer processing time for live action is different by a few factors, I guess

Step and ball bounce would cause absolutely different pictures on sensor, both in length and shape - piece of cake for the processing program

If the sensor matrix along the lines is wide enough to measure any bounce other than obvious ones, that would be OK. Hope the chair umpire would be able to rule a half-meter out, no?
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