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Question Worst Slam semi-finals line-up since...?

This is not a bashing thread and I mean no offense to the players involved, BUT...

I feel like this Us Open is really alarming with regard to the state of the Tour. It's okay to have one, eventually two surprising semi finalists, but we have three of them this time. Stephens, Keys and Vandeweghe (even though I like her), all fighting for a Slam title... it just sounds wrong to me, but maybe I'm the only one? Adding to that, a 37 y.o. Venus Williams, who suffers from an autoimmune disease, far, far away from her best days...
It's just so weak compared to what we were used to and it's kind of scary
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Re: Worst Slam semi-finals line-up since...?

I thought the SF lineup is so refreshing.
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It's bad. This sport has really declined.

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Re: Worst Slam semi-finals line-up since...?

Keys was always going to be a multi-Slam semifinalist. The arc of her career has always been prodigious. The only question mark all along for me has been whether she'd be able to actually win Slams but her progress every year was going in the right direction. Her setbacks this year were only going to be a minor blip. Keys has always been potentially a great champion.

Stephens, less so to me - more question marks than Keys. But she's worked on a lot of weaknesses and I always had her pinned as a solid top 20 player. Champion, still not sure of that but she certainly belongs at the top of the game.

Vandeweghe reaching multiple Slam SFs in one year is like Bouchard in 2014. Shit happens sometimes.
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Kanepi & Sevastova playing in the quarters. It was a strange major. But it shows that the US players have an advantage with the crowd, and players will have to learn to play these matches like Fed Cup on the road.
So its an important major in that way. Otherwise, its a 37 year old who won her last major about 9 years ago and 3 slamless players who never made a slam final and won about 3 titles each
But all US is a big deal. I was just writing about this in Wozniacki's forum. Caroline is going to be on outside courts all week 1 from now on
If I was USTA I would want all US ( also Sharapova) and ATP on the 3 big courts week 1. Get the US players used to those courts and the fan support

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With La Vee, Keys and Stephens in the SFs I see no problem. With Coco, hmmm...but I guess she'll lose.

It's amazing that no matter who is the winner, it will be a home slam win.

Yeah, I know some of you would like certain unpleasant players to be here but that's it.
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No, not really.
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It's okay to have one, eventually two surprising semi finalists, but we have three of them this time. Stephens, Keys and Vandeweghe (even though I like her), all fighting for a Slam title... it just sounds wrong to me, but maybe I'm the only one?
Why is Keys a surprising slam semi finalist?
Keys who made slam SF before turning 20 and finished 2016 ranked #8? And who more recently was clearly one of the most inform players in the USO series along with Sloane.
I swear, it's as if some of you purposely pretend that young talented players don't exist just so you can have fun bashing the tour. I mean don't like them if you don't but it's neither random/surprising and if anything a good thing for the tour that promising players are stepping up to become slam contenders.
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No offence to the others as well but I need Vee to win it all.

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Why is Keys a surprising slam semi finalist?
Keys who made slam SF before turning 20 and finished 2016 ranked #8? And who more recently was clearly one of the most inform players in the USO series along with Sloane.
I swear, it's as if some of you purposely pretend that young talented players don't exist just so you can have fun bashing the tour. I mean don't like them if you don't but it's neither random/surprising and if anything a good thing for the tour that promising players are stepping up to become slam contenders.
I think the fact a lot of people don't like CoCo tarnishes their ideas of a good slam SF. I think it's a good SF but you can't please everyone.
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I have nothing against none of those players but I agree it's kind of sad this being the semi finals. But there's a lot of reasons to explain it. Venus is the most "deservingly" one for sure so I won't talk about her. But let's see what happened in the other quarters. Vandeweghe defeated a clearly over ranked Radwanska who in normal conditions would have had her for breakfast. Besides that, Pliskobot doesn't seem to be that well programmed for being Nr 1 and clearly was bad also. Keys benefited from an immense choke by Svitolina and by the fact that Kerber/Ostapenko playing bad all year/having a bad matchup against her nemesis (who should have done better also). Stephens is kind of interesting. She's an incognito because of her terrible injuries so she may actually be a great player that nobody is sure of (this might be said in a lesser scale about Keys). But because of Halep haleping against a completely out of form Sharapova she had a less challenging draw (a draw that was already the weakest to be honest). Add that to Konta doing god knows what, Wozniacki being a victim of the always dangerous Makarova, Mladenovic sucking since RG but still good ranked and Kuznetsova being Kuznetsova.
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They're hardly that surprising when they've all already played another GS SF + multiple QFs in recent years. If anything, it's good to see a bunch of fairly young and talented players finally living up to their potential.

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It shows how competitive WTA is. And four Americans in semis of US Open can only be good for marketing.
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I agree with the OP, and also do not want to bash anyone; it's great for them that they made it to the SFs and they are all quite good and talented players, but the semifinals leave me entirely cold as a fan. This may have to do with the fact that I don't particularly like the playing style of anyone left in the draw (which is really one style, with the partial exception of Sloane).

I wouldn't say that this necessarily means the tour is in a worse state than in previous years. What this establishes is that many players are close to each other, i.e., that there is depth in the tour. This can be because everyone is bad relative to the past, or because everyone is good. I think there is strong evidence of the latter elsewhere (not year-to-year but decade-to-decade), including the natural progress in most sports, the advancements in training/nutrition/genetics, the lack of child prodigies in modern times, and the general scarcity of successful comebacks of older players.

But if we assume that these four aren't indeed the four best players among the 128 that started, then I think it is legitimate to also question the system that allows a player to proceed based on a single semi-random result (affected by draw, form on the day, the outcome of a few points) while sending others home after a single bad result. The repeated application of this leads to such semifinals.

I just watched the European basketball national team championship this week (after the USO became quite uninteresting), and some teams made it to the last 16 with two wins and three defeats (and a good point differential). Most of the major contenders for a medal had at least one defeat. Such a system gives fans multiple opportunities to see their favorites, and does not eliminate the best teams based on one bad night or one bad matchup.
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I have nothing against none of those players but I agree it's kind of sad this being the semi finals. But there's a lot of reasons to explain it. Venus is the most "deservingly" one for sure so I won't talk about her. But let's see what happened in the other quarters. Vandeweghe defeated a clearly over ranked Radwanska who in normal conditions would have had her for breakfast. Besides that, Pliskobot doesn't seem to be that well programmed for being Nr 1 and clearly was bad also. Keys benefited from an immense choke by Svitolina and by the fact that Kerber/Ostapenko playing bad all year/having a bad matchup against her nemesis (who should have done better also). Stephens is kind of interesting. She's an incognito because of her terrible injuries so she may actually be a great player that nobody is sure of (this might be said in a lesser scale about Keys). But because of Halep haleping against a completely out of form Sharapova she had a less challenging draw (a draw that was already the weakest to be honest). Add that to Konta doing god knows what, Wozniacki being a victim of the always dangerous Makarova, Mladenovic sucking since RG but still good ranked and Kuznetsova being Kuznetsova.
yep, I mean all the dangerous players were in Muguruza/ Venus/ petra's quarter. I said when the draw came out and people were saying muguruza was going to walk to this title that her draw was full of players who could catch fire and beat her. As soon as the draw came out, Sloane had a great opportunity to make this semi. She had a great hard court swing and the draw was wide open. Then Sharapova managed to beat Halep. and Sharapova is WAAAAY out of form. Noway she was making the semis. I've been saying since day 1 that Sloane would make this semi. Madison has notice has lindsay davenport back in her box. Lindsay got her to her last semi and here she is getting her to another. ITs not a coincidence.

Venus making this semi was almost a given wasnt it after her year.

Coco is the only surprise. Im gonna point out that french open 2017 had 0 grand slam winners in the semifinals.
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