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USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

According to Tennis Channel's court speed index comparison graphic, this is how the four GS factored out this year:

Australian Open - 42
Roland Garros - 21
Wimbledon - 37
USO - 36.2 (so far, with the court speed reaching Wimbledon speeds by day 8)

Here's some data on court speed and how it gets measured.

I think it's really interesting that the Australian Open, which used to be the medium speed slam, is now at medium-fast, the fast grass slam is now medium, and the USO is also solidly in the medium category.
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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

Cincinnati's estimated court speed seems a little on the slow side.

Wimbledon was almost unbearably slow this year. Those courts were cracking like sinkholes.
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AO was incredibly fast this year I just hope that the organizers won't disappoint us and slow down the surface in 2018
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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

AO was extremely fast and if I recall citibank in Washington, DC was up there and maybe faster then AO, maybe the fastest on tour.
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What a disgusting disgrace, thanks to Uncle Tony
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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

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According to Tennis Channel's court speed index comparison graphic, this is how the four GS factored out this year:
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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

The Australian Open was too fast this year in my opinion. I think the courts should start slower for the season and then speed up, because it's far easier to play on slower courts at the beginning of the year and I do think there's a place for slow hard courts. Wimbledon also definitely needs to be sped up, it's getting ridiculous now with Grass being slower than both hard court events I'd also like to see the USO a bit faster, but the balls they use at USO seem to travel through the air a lot quicker so it still favours attacking players.
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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

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Cincinnati's estimated court speed seems a little on the slow side.

Wimbledon was almost unbearably slow this year. Those courts were cracking like sinkholes.
cincy is widely regarded as being fast for the balls they are using there only, courts never seemed to be that high on CPR as far as i know.

as for flushing and ashe stadium in particular i'm a bit torn. the court seems to grip to the spin quite well, but won't bounce much if hitted more flat. i wonder how they managed to do that when setting up the court layers...


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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

The article briefly mentions balls and basically just says they use whatever balls were lying around, which of course is complete

As we all know, the women use different balls than the men at the big tournaments, which completely changes the results. For example, at this U.S. Open, the purely observational results would show that while it was somewhat fast for the women, it was actually quite slow for the men. You just have to look at the men's and women's QF participants to see the results.

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The article briefly mentions balls and basically just says they use whatever balls were lying around, which of course is complete

As we all know, the women use different balls than the men at the big tournaments, which completely changes the results. For example, at this U.S. Open, the purely observational results would show that while it was somewhat fast for the women, it was actually quite slow for the men. You just have to look at the men's and women's QF participants to see the results.

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I think the weather at each of the slams made the huge difference. Like, how the USO got faster (it should have registered slower) day by day. Wimbledon had lots of clouds, so I can see how the grass was slower but low bouncing at the same time. The French was mud most of the time as well.

If the weather patterns Australian news cycles have put out saying that we'll have another hot summer in Australia again are true, the AO should still be just as fast. Which I loved.
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US Open 2017 Arthur Ashe Playing Surface

I've heard that the playing surface of the court on The Arthur Ashe stadium has been slowed down and that the surface is relatively grittier than previously. Why have they done this? Is it to stop big servers and to benefit baseliners?
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Re: US Open 2017 Arthur Ashe Playing Surface

Surface seems fine to me. The quality of tennis this tournament has been pretty decent and there are a lot of big hitters in the last few rounds so if people are thinking there is some sort of conspiracy going on to favour defensive baseliners... well I'd say that is pretty ridiculous.

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Re: US Open 2017 Arthur Ashe Playing Surface

There was no deliberate policy to slow it down. The Ashe court was surfaced pretty late after problems were observed on it. Regardless, the "slowness" of it is exaggerated. Federer fans are particularly getting their excuses in early if he gets hammered by Nadal in the semis - which I don't think will happen cos Nadal has been atrocious on hardcourts for a long time.
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Re: USO Court Speed: 3rd fastest of the 4 Grand Slams

I heard that Wimbledon slowed down it's surface and introduced different balls for men to help Tim Boring Henman. Anyway as much as I can't stand seeing men's matches which are just 1st serve and double faults Wimmby is just too slow now.
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There was no deliberate policy to slow it down. The Ashe court was surfaced pretty late after problems were observed on it. Regardless, the "slowness" of it is exaggerated. Federer fans are particularly getting their excuses in early if he gets hammered by Nadal in the semis - which I don't think will happen cos Nadal has been atrocious on hardcourts for a long time.
no need for slow courts, they might have their backerer excuses running already then.
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