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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old Jul 27th, 2004, 04:22 PM Thread Starter
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Venus Williams=choker??

I can't help but notice this...Venus always use to be one of the best, if not the best, at closing out sets and matches. But this year, in almost all of her losses, Venus has choked in one way or another. Could it be that Venus is far more mentally fragile now than she's letting on? Take a look at this...

V's losses

Aussie Open-lost to Lisa Raymond 6-4 7-6, had a set point in the second set.
Dubai-l. to Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-2 6-3-outclassed, no choke there
Miami-l. Elena Dementieva 6-3 5-7 7-6, match point in the third set.
RG-l. to Anastasia Myskina 6-3 6-4-once she became the favorite, fell apart with 45+ errors in two sets
Wimby-l. to Karolina Sprem 7-6 7-6-two set points in the first set lost and three in the second set lost
Stanford-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-6 5-7 7-6-came within 2 points of winning.
LA-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-5 2-0-yes she was injured, but she also blew a 5-0 lead.

Venus used to be so good at winning these close matches, but hasn't done too well with it this year. Even last week, despite the injury, she would NEVER blow a 5-0 lead.
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It isn't like she blew a 6-4; 4-0 lead or anything HINGIS . Having a matchpoint in a tiebreak is very different than having a matchpoint with a big lead behind it.
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It isn't like she blew a 6-4; 4-0 lead or anything HINGIS . Having a matchpoint in a tiebreak is very different than having a matchpoint with a big lead behind it.
You had to find a way to diss Hingis didn't you even though it had nothing to do with Venus choking!

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do yall think she will win today against Gisela Dulko, or do you think she may retire with that injury? or that injury will keep her from winning?
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I just feel that she's a little rusty ...that's all...
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yeah, i realised that as well , but the problem with wenus villiams
is that she lost confidence and need a lot, a lot of practice. trust me .
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inch Allah ... it's only a matter of time.

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I can't help but notice this...Venus always use to be one of the best, if not the best, at closing out sets and matches. But this year, in almost all of her losses, Venus has choked in one way or another. Could it be that Venus is far more mentally fragile now than she's letting on? Take a look at this...

V's losses

Aussie Open-lost to Lisa Raymond 6-4 7-6, had a set point in the second set.
Dubai-l. to Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-2 6-3-outclassed, no choke there
Miami-l. Elena Dementieva 6-3 5-7 7-6, match point in the third set.
RG-l. to Anastasia Myskina 6-3 6-4-once she became the favorite, fell apart with 45+ errors in two sets
Wimby-l. to Karolina Sprem 7-6 7-6-two set points in the first set lost and three in the second set lost
Stanford-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-6 5-7 7-6-came within 2 points of winning.
LA-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-5 2-0-yes she was injured, but she also blew a 5-0 lead.

Venus used to be so good at winning these close matches, but hasn't done too well with it this year. Even last week, despite the injury, she would NEVER blow a 5-0 lead.

Was she suppose to continue and make the injury worse. Stop being unrealistic.
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I can't help but notice this...Venus always use to be one of the best, if not the best, at closing out sets and matches. But this year, in almost all of her losses, Venus has choked in one way or another. Could it be that Venus is far more mentally fragile now than she's letting on? Take a look at this...

V's losses

Aussie Open-lost to Lisa Raymond 6-4 7-6, had a set point in the second set.
Dubai-l. to Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-2 6-3-outclassed, no choke there
Miami-l. Elena Dementieva 6-3 5-7 7-6, match point in the third set.
RG-l. to Anastasia Myskina 6-3 6-4-once she became the favorite, fell apart with 45+ errors in two sets
Wimby-l. to Karolina Sprem 7-6 7-6-two set points in the first set lost and three in the second set lost
Stanford-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-6 5-7 7-6-came within 2 points of winning.
LA-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-5 2-0-yes she was injured, but she also blew a 5-0 lead.

Venus used to be so good at winning these close matches, but hasn't done too well with it this year. Even last week, despite the injury, she would NEVER blow a 5-0 lead.
The last time she continue playing and making the injury worse and look what happened to her she was almost out for a 1yr and now she is struggling to get back on track...which I think she is doing just great. A couple of more tournaments and she will be back where she was.
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I can't help but notice this...Venus always use to be one of the best, if not the best, at closing out sets and matches. But this year, in almost all of her losses, Venus has choked in one way or another. Could it be that Venus is far more mentally fragile now than she's letting on? Take a look at this...

V's losses

Aussie Open-lost to Lisa Raymond 6-4 7-6, had a set point in the second set.
Dubai-l. to Svetlana Kuznetsova 6-2 6-3-outclassed, no choke there
Miami-l. Elena Dementieva 6-3 5-7 7-6, match point in the third set.
RG-l. to Anastasia Myskina 6-3 6-4-once she became the favorite, fell apart with 45+ errors in two sets
Wimby-l. to Karolina Sprem 7-6 7-6-two set points in the first set lost and three in the second set lost
Stanford-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-6 5-7 7-6-came within 2 points of winning.
LA-l. to Lindsay Davenport 7-5 2-0-yes she was injured, but she also blew a 5-0 lead.

Venus used to be so good at winning these close matches, but hasn't done too well with it this year. Even last week, despite the injury, she would NEVER blow a 5-0 lead.

LOL pretty imaginative

It's not like she was up 6-2 4-0 or sqaundered eight matchpoints.

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Grasping for straws,
what else is new.
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none of those matches Venus choked,
so my answer would be: no she is not a choker
she isn't known to choke
she hasn't choked and she isn't choking
she will not choke and shall not choke

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yeah, i realised that as well , but the problem with wenus villiams
is that she lost confidence and need a lot, a lot of practice. trust me .
and...
inch Allah ... it's only a matter of time.
That's why these injuries are so frustrating!

Everytime she seems to begin to get confidence
and is playing well some injury always seems to pop
up on her. I think that's why she wants to play San Diego.

She wants to keep that momentum of
good play and confidence going.
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I don't think the broad has traveled into choke-land, but, this sounds cliched and like a commentator, she plays important points too defensively and doesn't win them. She had loads of chances against Lin-See last week in Stanford, and fell short on most of them.

It's like being the front-runner in an Oscar race and running off to Europe. You stay in Hollywood and campaign your ass off until the ballots are in.

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Was she suppose to continue and make the injury worse. Stop being unrealistic.
I'm not saying she was supposed to continue. There's no way she would've won the match given her injury. HOWEVER, if this were 2000 or 2001 and she had the same problem, she would've at least found a way to win the first set having to quit in the second.

And being a choker doesn't mean you have to blow tons of matchpoints or a huge lead. If there's a consistent pattern of losing tight matches or blowing set points/match points, then yes, she is choking at the moment.
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The only time I think she choked was when she had 3 set-points against K-Lina at Wimby(shoulda been 4.) When she missed the crosscourt forehand on her final set-point she knew she blew it.

And I never knew she was up 5-0 against Davey last week.

You could also look at these matches in a very positive light. Of all the matches she has lost this year only two(Kuzey and Myskina) she didn't fight hard for one set or another. She had chances to win.

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