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Who has had the best career? Sugiyama, Schnyder, Kournikova

They have idenical careers. They have all been ranked top ten for not so long a period of time.
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Schnyder obviously, cause she is the best one in singles by far only not so mental tough.
Sugiyama can only win doubles with clijsters and thanks to clijsters.
Same for Anna K but then with martina H.
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Schnyder obviously, cause she is the best one in singles by far only not so mental tough.
Sugiyama can only win doubles with clijsters and thanks to clijsters.
Same for Anna K but then with martina H.
Thanks to Clijsters? That's the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.
Kim should be the one that is grateful to Ai for sharing those GS trophies. Without a doubt Ai is the better doubles player of the two.
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i'd probably prefer to be a big fan of ai instead of patty and anna, but putting as much bias aside as possible i would probably say patty if we are talking only singles. i would base that solely on the fact that she has beaten like 16 of the current top 19 (with 4 three sets against justine, 1 versus venus, and 1 versus sharapova on grass and hasn't played sprem), has a GS semi and 2 quarters and a hell of a lot of 4th rounds, and has made some very big names looks foolish eg Mauresmo 6-2, 6-2 in Zurich last year, Myskina 6-1, 6-1 in Linz last year, Davenport 6-3, 6-2 and Dementieva 6-3, 6-1 in Charleston this year. she has the capacity to dominate almost any player given the right circumstances IMO, like she showed at RG last year when she won the 2nd against henin 6-2 playing flawless tennis. she beats anna i think because she is still a top player and within reach of a top ten ranking.

i can understand that some might disagree though. obviously if doubles is considered then she is blown out, but as jesper said she never played with the quality of partner as ai or anna. her doubles career is not bad though i have to say.
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Wtf!!!!!!

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Thanks to Clijsters? That's the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.
Kim should be the one that is grateful to Ai for sharing those GS trophies. Without a doubt Ai is the better doubles player of the two.
Damn how many drugs did you take???

Ai is not even capable of standing up against hard-hitting great players. She is not good enough on her one in doubles like suares, or ruano-p and in singles cannot compete against really good players( in general).
She is just steady enough that with a really good partner she can win a slam
She is what pam shriver was for martina, just steady enough to let Kim play her shots
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Thanks to Clijsters? That's the dumbest thing I have heard in a while.
Kim should be the one that is grateful to Ai for sharing those GS trophies. Without a doubt Ai is the better doubles player of the two.
ai is definitely the better traditional doubles player, but that really doesn't matter any more. pierce and mauresmo are also not as good at the art of doubles as ai and yet they beat her and shinobu easily today. suarez and VRP are the dominant team today and they are baseliners. the same can be said of the williams sisters, as it's their power, not their skills in doubles that makes them a champion team. power as taken away from what doubles used to be, and that's why clijsters would be a more successful in doubles than aiwould be today.
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Schnyder obviously, cause she is the best one in singles by far only not so mental tough.
Sugiyama can only win doubles with clijsters and thanks to clijsters.
Same for Anna K but then with martina H.
You really need to follow the game and its history more closely.
Ai won a GS title teaming up with Julie Halard and just made the Wimbledon final with a horriblying playing Huber. I saw the final and Ai played great and good enough to deserve the title. I would say she was the best of the four on the court. It was Huber who destroyed her hope. No offence to Liesel but as she herself admitted after the match, she should be sorry for Ai.
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first of all who were there at wimbledon doubles this year??? or better who didn't play
And Halard was the hard--hitting strong girl that Ai can't win without!
And Huber is pretty bad, she is for Ai what Ai was for Kim
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ai is definitely the better traditional doubles player, but that really doesn't matter any more. pierce and mauresmo are also not as good at the art of doubles as ai and yet they beat her and shinobu easily today. suarez and VRP are the dominant team today and they are baseliners. the same can be said of the williams sisters, as it's their power, not their skills in doubles that makes them a champion team. power as taken away from what doubles used to be, and that's why clijsters would be a more successful in doubles than aiwould be today.
Sorry but I can't agree with you. I don't think Kim would be nearly as successful if she teamed up with anyone else. It's true their games complemented each other's game but then Ai was more versile and had the game that suited doubles. Ai has played many different players with different play styles yet she has always managed to produce good results. Honestly I'm totally disappointed in her for losing Amlie and Mary in doubles who are supposedly not good at doubles. I'm sure Shinobu was more of a fator for their loss.
It's foolish to say Kim is better at doubles than Ai. Kim hasn't had any impressive result in doubles other than playing with Ai.
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i think jesper is underrating ai and VS fan is underrating clijsters. they are both very good in their own ways
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first of all who were there at wimbledon doubles this year??? or better who didn't play
And Halard was the hard--hitting strong girl that Ai can't win without!
And Huber is pretty bad, she is for Ai what Ai was for Kim
Pre much everyone was there except the sisters obviously.
They (Ai and Liesel) beat the best doubles team (Vivi and Paola) so you're totally in denial. It's just dumb as hell to say Kim was carrying Ai in their partnership cuz it's obviously the other way around.
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yeah they are both good at different things, Kim as a tremendous tennisplayer in general and Ai in being without much talent and still being able to become a decent player
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she really is the new born Pam S!!!!
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Schnyder has the best case. More titles, more IMPORTANT titles, and a higher top ranking. Plus, a Slam SF too, which matches Anna's best result in the majors.
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yeah they are both good at different things, Kim as a tremendous tennisplayer in general and Ai in being without much talent and still being able to become a decent player
One thing annoying about your posts is you always try to discredit Ai saying stuff like she has little talent.
In a way Ai is more talented than Kim I believe.
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