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2 great champions Graf and Seles

I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here. Reading some of the threads in regard to Steffi Graf and Monica Seles it usually ends up with fans from either side trying to degrade these 2 champions and each other.
Basically what happened happened nothing can be changed it's pointless trying to talk about 'what if'? Because we will never know simple as!
Can't you just accept that these 2 women were both amazing players of there time, regardless of who won more grand slams etc and who may in the eyes of others (Evert) be regarded as the best player of all time, it doens't matter because if you put aside biased opinions you will see that both these women followed on from Navaratilova by stepping up the game another level, Steffi with her fitness and athleticism and Monica with her early hitting of the ball and power which Steffi also contributed too aswell.
It makes me laugh how people on here criticise these players due to emotional,physical problems. You don't even know these women you don't have any idea of what it's like to go through being under such scrutiny. Putting pressure on yourself let alone others. So how can you talk about Monica's fitness levels when she returned to the game? And you can't compare Steffi's problems with her father to Monica's.
So just sit back and enjoy who you enjoy and appreciate what they do on the court and have some respect!
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Sorry,I can't accept your views.
You are depreciating Steffi Graf to the level of Seles.
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I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here. Reading some of the threads in regard to Steffi Graf and Monica Seles it usually ends up with fans from either side trying to degrade these 2 champions and each other.
Basically what happened happened nothing can be changed it's pointless trying to talk about 'what if'? Because we will never know simple as!
Can't you just accept that these 2 women were both amazing players of there time, regardless of who won more grand slams etc and who may in the eyes of others (Evert) be regarded as the best player of all time, it doens't matter because if you put aside biased opinions you will see that both these women followed on from Navaratilova by stepping up the game another level, Steffi with her fitness and athleticism and Monica with her early hitting of the ball and power which Steffi also contributed too aswell.
It makes me laugh how people on here criticise these players due to emotional,physical problems. You don't even know these women you don't have any idea of what it's like to go through being under such scrutiny. Putting pressure on yourself let alone others. So how can you talk about Monica's fitness levels when she returned to the game? And you can't compare Steffi's problems with her father to Monica's.
So just sit back and enjoy who you enjoy and appreciate what they do on the court and have some respect!
A great point, I have no idea why you have so many red dots, but may I suggest you not to create threads like this, coz there will be some morons who will turn this into battlefields once again. Nari

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Graf And Seles - Two Great Champions

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Nari you are obviously too naive and immature and probably about 13 to be able to accept views from other people and to be able to hold a discussion!
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I haven't been on this forum long but what I can't believe is how immature a few people are on here. Reading some of the threads in regard to Steffi Graf and Monica Seles it usually ends up with fans from either side trying to degrade these 2 champions and each other.
Basically what happened happened nothing can be changed it's pointless trying to talk about 'what if'? Because we will never know simple as!
Can't you just accept that these 2 women were both amazing players of there time, regardless of who won more grand slams etc and who may in the eyes of others (Evert) be regarded as the best player of all time, it doens't matter because if you put aside biased opinions you will see that both these women followed on from Navaratilova by stepping up the game another level, Steffi with her fitness and athleticism and Monica with her early hitting of the ball and power which Steffi also contributed too aswell.
It makes me laugh how people on here criticise these players due to emotional,physical problems. You don't even know these women you don't have any idea of what it's like to go through being under such scrutiny. Putting pressure on yourself let alone others. So how can you talk about Monica's fitness levels when she returned to the game? And you can't compare Steffi's problems with her father to Monica's.
So just sit back and enjoy who you enjoy and appreciate what they do on the court and have some respect!
I agree.
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Bristol, don't take it too seriously. Without "what if" discussions, what would we have to do as tennis fans all day long?


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Graf And Seles - Two Great Champions

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Hm, yes, but - who was the greatest?



Graf of course .....


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Actually Calimero i'm not taking it that seriously at all hence I can discuss the matter i'm not making irrational claims on eithers behalf. What I would suggest aswell if you have nothing to do all day long as a tennis fan is maybe get a job?
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Actually Calimero i'm not taking it that seriously at all hence I can discuss the matter i'm not making irrational claims on eithers behalf. What I would suggest aswell if you have nothing to do all day long as a tennis fan is maybe get a job?

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Chris evert made that comment about graf being the greatest cuz SHE AIN'T gunna say navratilova because she was her rival and probably got sick of losing to her through 82-85 with out reply. Also there is no one else except herself she can mention but who's gunna say ''i'm the greatest''. Oh yeh this all who seles-graf thing is getting old. Graf is the second greatest behind martina navratilova and for seles, she would be behind evert, king and court leaving her 5th. I think graf and seles just din't play enough during that period when seles won 3 slams in a year twice (91,92) graf kept losing early on which didn't help.
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What? you mean ASV who won 4 slams and had enough chances to beat graf in the 1995 wimbledon final. oh yeh she was number 1 for like 6 weeks.
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Sorry,I can't accept your views.
You are depreciating Steffi Graf to the level of Seles.
THERE'S NO POINT IN TALKING TO THESE GUENTHER PARCHE DOGS.

MONICA SELES DEPRECIATED STEFFI GRAF A LONG TIME AGO WHEN SHE TOPPLED THE GERMAN FROM THE NUMBER ONE RANKING AND WON A MINGBOGGLING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S DISSAPOINTING 2.

I DONT THINK YOU CAN EVEN COMPARE BOTH OF THEM SINCE MONICA SELES IS OBVIOUSLY THE MORE SUPERIOR PLAYER THAN GRAF AND IS A TRUE CHAMPION IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.... BOTH ON AND OFF THE COURT.

AS FOR STEFFI, HER TENNIS RECORDS" IS ALREADY TARNISH AFTER THE STABBING OF WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES IN APRIL OF 1993.


WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES RULED SECOND RANKED STEFFI GRAF AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR RIVALRY WINNING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S 2.


1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "That was a 92-mile-an-hour serve from Steffi, and I'd like to have gotten the radar on the return of serve. It was stronger."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Cliff Drysdale: "Graf has won eleven grand slam championships."

Mary Carillo: "Seles has played 20 less but she's already won seven of them."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "How much can you say about this woman? She is a remarkable - she has that remarkable instinct, when under the gun, when under pressure, to attack. She's got the instincts of a doberman. You know, when confronted, she attacks. It's the natural thing for her to do. I just, as I say, I've never seen her like before. I've seen great players, obviously, great champions. But time and again we've seen Monica in trouble, we've seen her play less than her best tennis, and in the end, I mean, she just basically says, 'All right, gimme the ball, gimme the ball.' And she hits winners. It's great stuff."

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1993 Australian Open Final

Mary Carillo: "[Steffi's] actually playing better than when she played in '88 and won the Grand Slam. Everyone acts as though 'Well, you know, she's got to get it back, she's got to get it back.' I actually feel that Steffi has added a lot to her game. She's a better defensive player. She's got a better first serve than she used to. I think her slice backhand really works well. I mean, I happen to think that she's a better player than she was a few years ago, but she's facing an opponent that is just remarkable, and I think that's why she doesn't have the Grand Slams titles we're used to seeing from her."

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THERE'S NO POINT IN TALKING TO THESE GUENTHER PARCHE DOGS.

MONICA SELES DEPRECIATED STEFFI GRAF A LONG TIME AGO WHEN SHE TOPPLED THE GERMAN FROM THE NUMBER ONE RANKING AND WON A MINGBOGGLING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S DISSAPOINTING 2.

I DONT THINK YOU CAN EVEN COMPARE BOTH OF THEM SINCE MONICA SELES IS OBVIOUSLY THE MORE SUPERIOR PLAYER THAN GRAF AND IS A TRUE CHAMPION IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORLD.... BOTH ON AND OFF THE COURT.

AS FOR STEFFI, HER TENNIS RECORDS" IS ALREADY TARNISH AFTER THE STABBING OF WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES IN APRIL OF 1993.


WORLD NUMBER ONE MONICA SELES RULED SECOND RANKED STEFFI GRAF AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR RIVALRY WINNING 8 GRAND SLAMS TO GRAF'S 2.
wow...you're a very silly woman or man.... whatever the hell you are.
go cry somewhere else... everyone knows graf is absolutely brilliant...

how dare you say graf's records are tarnished... blaming her for a stabbing incident that she had no part in... you're as ignorant as they come....

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