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Puig 'heavy balls, the court is really fast'

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Once again Puig showcases her complete lack of tennis knowledge. Indian Wells being described as fast is just comical.

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Re: Puig 'heavy balls, the court is really fast'

she really said the courts are fast, she probs meant the conditions as the dry desert air enables the balls to fly through the air faster. as for bounce/CPR i didn't notice a remarkable difference from the matches i saw comparing to the past, it's still quite bouncy and slow in IW.
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Re: Puig 'heavy balls, the court is really fast'

well actually the outside courts are a lot faster I dunno on which court did she play, but on Stadium 6 when I was watching Ostapenko and Kovinic, the ball was flying with decent speed compared to Watson vs Gibbs (also, that might have been because the first two are bigger hitters and not total scrubs, but that's another issue )
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well actually the outside courts are a lot faster I dunno on which court did she play, but on Stadium 6 when I was watching Ostapenko and Kovinic, the ball was flying with decent speed compared to Watson vs Gibbs (also, that might have been because the first two are bigger hitters and not total scrubs, but that's another issue )
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she really said the courts are fast, she probs meant the conditions as the dry desert air enables the balls to fly through the air faster.
Dry air is actually heavier/denser than humid air, so tennis balls would actually move slightly slower through the dry air compared to humid air (assuming same temperature)...

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nat...an-dry-air.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ed2eec1fbef9
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Dry air is actually heavier/denser than humid air, so tennis balls would actually move slightly slower through the dry air compared to humid air (assuming same temperature)...

Is humid air heavier than dry air? | HowStuffWorks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ed2eec1fbef9
The humidity would however affect the balls a lot. There is no chance tennis plays faster in humid conditions than in dry ones. No chance.
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Sure it looks fast.

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Dry air is actually heavier/denser than humid air, so tennis balls would actually move slightly slower through the dry air compared to humid air (assuming same temperature)...

Is humid air heavier than dry air? | HowStuffWorks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ed2eec1fbef9
These articles take too long to explain very basic science:

1) Because PV = nRT, the number of molecules in the air is the same if the pressure, volume, and temperature don't change
2) Water molecules (H2O ≈ 18 g/mol) are lighter than nitrogen (N2 ≈ 28 g/mol) and oxygen molecules (O2 ≈ 32 g/mol), which make up >99% of the air
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The humidity would however affect the balls a lot. There is no chance tennis plays faster in humid conditions than in dry ones. No chance.
Humidity does not affect the ball itself enough to counteract the lighter air. The net result of added humidity is still, with all else being equal, slightly faster ball flight

Humid conditions "feel" heavier because it's much harder on the human body, not because it alters the flight of the ball
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Any court could look fast for a player that moves like her


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Dry air is actually heavier/denser than humid air, so tennis balls would actually move slightly slower through the dry air compared to humid air (assuming same temperature)...

Is humid air heavier than dry air? | HowStuffWorks

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These articles take too long to explain very basic science:

1) Because PV = nRT, the number of molecules in the air is the same if the pressure, volume, and temperature don't change
2) Water molecules (H2O ≈ 18 g/mol) are lighter than nitrogen (N2 ≈ 28 g/mol) and oxygen molecules (O2 ≈ 32 g/mol), which make up >99% of the air
that actually contradicts anything i heard so far, but yeah. one couldn't stop learning...
still: numerous players/ex pro commentators were explaining in the past that they do feel conditions to be faster in dry air/desert (not to be mistaken with higher altitude as the air does indeed get less dense then), so i wonder if it really is down to the higher toll on the body only when they speak of "heavier conditions" when it's humid. it's quite weird tbh...


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Humidity does not affect the ball itself enough to counteract the lighter air. The net result of added humidity is still, with all else being equal, slightly faster ball flight

Humid conditions "feel" heavier because it's much harder on the human body, not because it alters the flight of the ball
I guess you could say the court surface itself is fast and bouncy, but the ball is travelling off the racket and through the air slower. When the ball is hit it looks like slo mo but when the ball hits the deck it explodes from the increased friction. Good for heavy Top spin and kickers. It may explain people's perceptions of it being both fast and slow. I would just call it slow and bouncy.
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first time in my life I hear/read that humid conditions are faster than sunny dry conditions.

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