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Thumbs up Umpire In Venus/Sprem Match OUT of Wimbledon

Updated: 08:51 AM EDT

Umpire who gave Williams' foe extra point done for tournament

WIMBLEDON, England (AP) - The chair umpire who awarded an extra point to Venus Williams' opponent during her second-round loss at Wimbledon won't work another match during the tournament.
"I have now discussed the incident with the chair umpire concerned, and we have agreed it will be in the best interests of both parties if he takes no further part in the event," tournament referee Alan Mills said Friday.

The umpire's office wouldn't comment.

Ted Watts of Britain mistakenly gave Karolina Sprem a point she didn't earn in the final tiebreaker of Thursday night's 7-6 (5), 7-6 (6) upset of Williams, the 2000-01 Wimbledon champion.

The error made it 2-2 in the tiebreaker. Williams then built a 6-3 edge, but she lost the next five points for her earliest loss at the All England Club since her 1997 debut.

"I'd like to think he didn't do it on purpose," Williams said. "I don't think one call makes a match."

She led the tiebreaker 2-1 when Sprem hit a first serve ruled wide by the line judge, who put her arm out and shouted, "Fault!" Williams casually hit the ball over the net, and Sprem smacked a backhand into the open court. Williams stood still at the baseline, figuring it was time for a second serve.

But Watts announced the score as 2-2, the sort of mistake that occurs every so often but generally is noticed right away by one of the players or another on-court official.

With the players apparently unaware Sprem received a point she shouldn't have, they lined up again in the same positions for what both thought was a second serve. Indeed, Sprem put a safe 86 mph offering in, and Williams laced a backhand return winner. That should have made it 3-1 for Williams, but Watts called it 3-2.

"Unfortunately, the way it happened, Venus didn't query it at the time," Mills said. "They played point after point afterward, and the result, I'm afraid, stands as is."



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Only logical conclution......and he shouldn´t come back next year either.

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i think that's a fair consequence. i am sure he will be back next year.
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With the players apparently unaware Sprem received a point she shouldn't have, they lined up again in the same positions for what both thought was a second serve.
I think this is key - the reason neither Venus nor Karolina noticed it. The umpire called 2-2 as Karolina was already in her service motion - it's likely neither player even heard him. Even the BBC commentators only noticed the mistake when he called 3-2 instead of 3-1, and by that time the error had been made - that's when both players started to look confused as well.
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what a morron!!

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Attention WTA, ATP, and ITF: let a replay booth check line challenges, stuff like the hand controversy, AND keep score, you Stone Age morons!
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You pay these guys soooooooo much money and they can´t even get the score right?!

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Mistakes by umpire are not that uncommon... They are humans.

It's just that 95% of the time, players notice it so the mistake is corrected right away.
True, but this one was made at a crucial point in the match and because it was Wimbledon made it even worse.
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I'm with JR.

I know he's human but that's a big mistake. It's like working at a bank and leaving the vault open. Some things can't be overlooked.

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I think this is key - the reason neither Venus nor Karolina noticed it. The umpire called 2-2 as Karolina was already in her service motion - it's likely neither player even heard him. Even the BBC commentators only noticed the mistake when he called 3-2 instead of 3-1, and by that time the error had been made - that's when both players started to look confused as well.
Yeah, but I don't see how the umpire could call it that way.

I mean, there were about 3 seconds between the first "point" at 2-1 (which he called for Karolina) and the next one, and it was played from the same side.

What a moron. And who is he? I have never seen him before. And I guess I will never see him again LOL.
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Talking Now he is Venus' Umpire!

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Updated: 09:14 AM EDT
Tennis-Wimbledon-Venus umpire out of championships
By Ossian Shine, Reuters

LONDON, June 25 (Reuters) - The umpire who made a mistake in the decisive tiebreak that ended with Venus Williams's shock exit from Wimbledon on Thursday will officiate no further at this year's tournament.
"I have now discussed the incident with the chair umpire concerned and we have agreed it will be in the best interests of both parties if he takes no further part in the event," Wimbledon referee Alan Mills said on Friday.

British umpire Ted Watts made an error in the second set tiebreak when he awarded Karolina Sprem a point when she faulted on a first serve.

The Croatian went on to win 7-6 7-6 and inflict on Venus her earliest Wimbledon defeat in seven years.

Despite the furore surrounding the official's gaffe, twice Wimbledon champion Williams refused to blame the confusion for her second-round defeat.

"I'd like to think that one point doesn't make a difference," she said. "But obviously it was a wrong call, yes."

Sprem said: "I was confused .. I was like 100 per cent in the match."

Mills acknowledged the mistake soon after the end of the match.

NEITHER QUERIED

"Regrettably the chair umpire made a mistake which ended up with the score being called wrongly," he said.

"Although both players seemed perplexed, neither queried the decision and play continued, resulting in Miss Sprem winning the tiebreak and the match.

"As neither player queried the score with the chair umpire at the time, the result stands as the mistake should have been rectified immediately."

The problem arose when Sprem faulted on her first serve at 2-1 down in the second set tiebreak. Rather than announce a second serve, Watts mistakenly gave the Croatian a point and called the score at 2-2, leaving both players looking perplexed.

After that Williams moved to a 6-3 lead and had three set points to get back into the match. Sprem saved all three and converted her first match point.

Williams said she had not contested the point because she often lost track of the score during matches.

Watts, an experienced umpire, had not been scheduled to officiate on Friday.



06/25/04 09:12 ET

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I'm with JR.

I know he's human but that's a big mistake. It's like working at a bank and leaving the vault open. Some things can't be overlooked.
It's also like operating on the left leg whne you shoud have operated on the right.
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It's also like operating on the left leg whne you shoud have operated on the right.
Or giving the wrong baby to a new mother.

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