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Because I think you haven't got a typical austrian/german mentality.
If you think all german/austrian origin ppl gladly pay taxes, then you live in a big lie. Just look at Uli Hoeness for example or Boris Becker. Ok I do not need to prove this to you, I see you seem just like someone trying to stereotype, so have it if you wish, but I assure you that no one pays half his assets to fiscus just like that.

Even Arnold Schwarzenneger who is a cult figure in Austria has said that this country never ever did 10% of that he did and payed her in taxes so shhhh!

You seriously think all tax payers moneys go the right way and all those streets and projects cost as much as they say? If you do then join a blind sheep herd, burocrats do like those the most that pay without thinking and questioning.
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Re: Bara Strycova has changed her residence from Pilsen (CZE) to Dubai

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Kerber: Since when is Poland a tax haven.
Polish income taxes are higer than in the Czech republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_in_Europe
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Re: Bara Strycova has changed her residence from Pilsen (CZE) to Dubai

For all those complaining that moving to tax havens is all about money, remember:

Depending on your countries tax always, you still pay tax in your home country when you are there. In the UK stating your residence is Monaco still won't exempt you from paying British tax entirely or even at all depending on your individual circumstances. To avoid tax in the most European countries you must actually have to reside there and prove it.

Players often genuinely reside in two countries. The tour is 10 months and players are barely at home. Many will spend most of the 2 months off in training camps in these countries and it may be more honest to say you spend a single bigger block of time in that country then in your own. How many people here would claim immigrant workers in your country should avoid tax and only pay it to their country of origin. Babs pays tax all around the world. She's paying it twice with the Czech republic.

Florida, Monaco and Dubai may be tax havens, but that has also created a culture of sport and great training facilities and camps and coaches. These places have become world class places and atmospheres to train for a number of sports. Plus the weather. There is a reason why Andy Murray who resides in the UK still goes to Florida for training in the off season. I've noticed a lot of crossfitters reside in the UAE because of it's facilities and Crossfit doesn't have any big money of note to want to avoid tax.

Staying at home isn't any indication of being a superior tax payer. If you have a savings account like an ISA you are avoiding tax. Most tennis players will set-up their name as a company so their company is paid so when you travel, pay for nutrition physio etc it can all be written off as business expense. that is a genuine write off as player pay coaches, medical and travel out of their own pockets. It is still a tax avoidance system. It should be added again that unlike other sports tennis players are paying tax around the world, where they earn it.

Finally, Barbora Strycova has still payed over 4 million in prize money in taxes. She has paid a third of that in income taxes to the Czech republic and usually that again in the country when played in. Then she paid that again in expenses for tennis which are likely to run in the hundreds of thousands for a player of her stature each year. This also isn't a front tax avoidance scheme like say Amazon have or Apple who move residence to pay little to no tax period. Strycova also pays taxes in all the countries she plays in, including the Czech republic as she plays there and she has also double paid by residing in the Czech republic. This isn't a situation where she is avoiding tax like some big companies, she pays it everywhere according to their laws. Same for Petra, the Florida residents etc. For example in the UK she would pay 30%-45% on her winnings and 27% again on the Czech republic. How many of us are willing to pay tax twice on our pay cheques at around 65% rate of tax essentially then pay expenses knowing you have a 15 year career max? If she signs up to some scheme that allows her to avoid paying all tax globally, then some of the criticism might be valid (except she has paid tax off all her earnings so far) but she is paying her dues to the countries she earns money in and certainly has paid enough tax to the Czech republic and when her sports carere is over will return to paying her yearly earnings to the Czech republic.
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Polish income taxes are higer than in the Czech republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_in_Europe
That's a bit irrelevant as Kerber pays less tax in Poland than Germany which is the point.
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If you think all german/austrian origin ppl gladly pay taxes, then you live in a big lie. Just look at Uli Hoeness for example or Boris Becker. Ok I do not need to prove this to you, I see you seem just like someone trying to stereotype, so have it if you wish, but I assure you that no one pays half his assets to fiscus just like that.

Even Arnold Schwarzenneger who is a cult figure in Austria has said that this country never ever did 10% of that he did and payed her in taxes so shhhh!

You seriously think all tax payers moneys go the right way and all those streets and projects cost as much as they say? If you do then join a blind sheep herd, burocrats do like those the most that pay without thinking and questioning.
I think german/austrian people have much bigger sense for the discipline than nations from the southern or eastern Europe (incl. my nation).

....but Uli or Boris had a very big problems with a law.
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Surely you realise the players are not obliged to keep their profile updated with their fiscal residence!?

Stosur has lived in Florida for a decade.


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What does that have to do with Kerber?
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Does Czech federal fiscus finance any of their travel costs etc. ???
Dont be bullshiting, if you think it is easy to become a celebrity as you postulate then become one yourself, and I would ask you then if you would gladly be willing to pay 20M out of your 40M assets to a federal fiscus. Sure yeah. It is their decision to be taxed in Dubai or Switzerland so nothing wrong about it. It would be insane to pay such huge tax rate when offered a more fair one.

If you really think that even half of that money goes the right way and not in some bureaucratic-eurocratic pockets you can as well shoot yourself in knee, I totaly support these girls in their decision not to finance some greedy politicians.

It's always them, isn't it?

But the first paragraph is mostly true. I'm pretty sure there are other ways for them to support tennis in Czech Republic.
It might be a heritage from communist period that people are sceptical about how their taxes are going to be spent as no one could ask for back in the times. Maybe that's why the press silently supports it. JJ and Ana both changed residence out of Serbia when they were getting big in the rankings, Srebotnik is a resident of Dubai.

AFAIK France is really harsh with the big money, thus the household names of the recent years like Pierce, Bartoli and Mauresmo would all have residence outside France.

It's a hole in the system, but not let them feel guilty about it. They are also not getting these big paychecks everyday, it's happening just a few times in their overall career/life.

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I think german/austrian people have much bigger sense for the discipline than nations from the southern or eastern Europe (incl. my nation).

....but Uli or Boris had a very big problems with a law.
Trust me it is all the same, every nation globally has ppl who like to avoid and who like to pay. But you cant blame the sportsmen wanting to pay lower taxes if possible in a democratic era and world. They would be masochistic if they payed 50% instead of 10% e.g.

Their career is short anyway.
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That's a bit irrelevant as Kerber pays less tax in Poland than Germany which is the point.
But is a very different case from the czech players

Has Bara emiratian origins?

Has Bara in UAE her family, her training base etc.?

Is in Poland a 0% income tax?

BTW: Why Angie doesn't have her residence in Monaco or UAE? Isn't she stupid?
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@eDonkey you do get a point, but just dont be deluded into thinking that all that money is being spent by the govs as they state. They might have all the bills etc. but the prices can as well be inflated and pocketed amongst them, and that is the reason they are so rich. I dont envy anyone, but for me those sportsmen should not be blamed, bcs they do sth to get rich instead of those politicians who just feast on what taxpayers bring in. You have any idea how much Brussels is costing every EU country and if that is really necessary. All them politicians at least half of them should be sacked immediately and everything would run much smoother even with a benefit of cost saving.

We blame here sportsmen for dodging a couple of millions and those parasites cost us millions on hourly basis. Hope you see point now.
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What does that have to do with Kerber?
There are articles that she pays takes in Poland.
I find it strange and funny because self-employed from Poland try to escape to Czech Republic.


Good for Strycova. Unfortunately many athletes are not smart about their money.
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Does Czech federal fiscus finance any of their travel costs etc. ???
Dont be bullshiting, if you think it is easy to become a celebrity as you postulate then become one yourself, and I would ask you then if you would gladly be willing to pay 20M out of your 40M assets to a federal fiscus. Sure yeah. It is their decision to be taxed in Dubai or Switzerland so nothing wrong about it. It would be insane to pay such huge tax rate when offered a more fair one.

If you really think that even half of that money goes the right way and not in some bureaucratic-eurocratic pockets you can as well shoot yourself in knee, I totaly support these girls in their decision not to finance some greedy politicians.
But why Tamira hasn't her residence in the tax haven?


Or what about Barbara Schett? Her (last) residence is in Innsbruck. Did she have another residence during her carrer or she has residence in Innsbruck all-the-time?
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There are articles that she pays takes in Poland.
Yes, she lives and trains in Puszczykowo where her grandfather runs a tennis academy. But why are tax rates in the Czech Republic relevant to Kerber?
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But is a very different case from the czech players

Has Bara emiratian origins?

Has Bara in UAE her family, her training base etc.?

Is in Poland a 0% income tax?

BTW: Why Angie doesn't have her residence in Monaco or UAE? Isn't she stupid?
The point is paying less tax then the country nationality. The point is choosing to reside somewhere with less tax isn't always about the tax. Immigration origins are a silly argument unless all immigrants to move to countries with lower tax rates are avoiding tax. We live in a globalised world

As I said, Monaco, and the UAE have brilliant sports facilities, weather and environments to train in. Babs also pays tax in every country she plays in. just because her residence is a 0% bracket doesn't mean she is like amazon in setting up a residence to avoid tax altogether. She pays her taxes on every pay cheque, it is fair to not act like she is avoiding tax by not paying it twice on the same cheques which is a unique issue with tennis.
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Surely you realise the players are not obliged to keep their profile updated with their fiscal residence!?


Stosur has lived in Florida for a decade.
But she probably still pays income taxes in Australia.
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