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Carl Maes : "Venus still has so much potential."

Kim's ex-coach was commentating the match between Venus and Myskina and said that Venus has so much potential still. There are so many things she could improve and make her even better than she already is. Scary thought!

But I think he's right, Venus pretty much is a raw diamond. Just imagine what she could do to the tour if she actually used all her potential!

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Well i agree to an extent, venus can make improvements, but there is an old saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" (no offense). I just see her carrying on with the weaknesses in her game much like Hingis did with the serve, she knows they are a problem but she has played like that for years, trying to change now might be too hard. ?

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I agree...there's so much she can work on in regards to aggression and net play that would have a massive effect on her game.
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Well i agree to an extent, venus can make improvements, but there is an old saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" (no offense). I just see her carrying on with the weaknesses in her game much like Hingis did with the serve, she knows they are a problem but she has played like that for years, trying to change now might be too hard. ?
I couldn't disagree more, Bezz, and I offer up none other than 28-year-old Jennifer Capriati as evidence.

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Kim's ex-coach was commentating the match between Venus and Myskina and said that Venus has so much potential still. There are so many things she could improve and make her even better than she already is. Scary thought!

But I think he's right, Venus pretty much is a raw diamond. Just imagine what she could do to the tour if she actually used all her potential!

Agree or not?
i agree 100 %. she can improve her forehand, she can improve her service (wich is the best of WTA and still she can improve it) she needs to improve her concentration, she can improve her backhand....... WOW realising that she´s one of the bests Tennis players off all time and has all this and mutch more to improve it´s just fantastique.
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During her tough 2nd set in the 4th round I saw Venus serving and volleying. With her serve, she pulled her opponent out wide of the deuce court. The return she got was dipping and threatening to jam her, but she closed in quickly and executed one of the more beautiful volleys I've seen this fortnight in women's tennis. The point was classic, old skool tennis. And it suited Venus' body to a T. She seemed to be gliding. It made be sigh at what could be.

Venus' potential will be fully realised only if she starts playing truly all-court tennis. Especially coming in after strong 1st serves and every damn weak reply she gets. It makes too much sense, really. And lets' face it: she's not winning slams with a baseline-hugging game. Out of the 7 matches that's required of her, there's always one opponent that can consistently bunt that power serve back, play frustrating defense, exploit that forehand, or get her to twist or strain something while running herself ragged. She needs to realise that her body was never meant for Serena's game.

Of course, it is not a good time for any radical changes. Let's see what the summer brings. But if she ends the year with no major titles, I strongly suggest she spend the fall and winter sculpting a serve and volley game. She's not in tennis to be the 5th best player.

Meanwhile, Venus, act like the 23 year-old woman you are and ask your father if he wishes to be your coach. If he says he can't accompany you to at least all four slams, then consider a replacement. BJK for example.

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If Venus wants to improve her game, she will have to ask for outside help, that has been offered to her in the past becasue a lot of people know she can improve on her game, but if Venus wants to get better, she has to be the one to ask for help and she is so loyal to her father that she doesn't want to do that, but she may have to rethink her position, epsecially if she ever wants to win the French Open, which I still think she can do.
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If Venus wants to improve her game, she will have to ask for outside help, that has been offered to her in the past becasue a lot of people know she can improve on her game, but if Venus wants to get better, she has to be the one to ask for help and she is so loyal to her father that she doesn't want to do that, but she may have to rethink her position, epsecially if she ever wants to win the French Open, which I still think she can do.
i don´t agree i think that the sisters always play better when Richard is "in the zone" LOL. Richard can make her improve her game but he needs to travel more with them. hopefully after this RG he realises that.
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i don´t agree i think that the sisters always play better when Richard is "in the zone" LOL. Richard can make her improve her game but he needs to travel more with them. hopefully after this RG he realises that.
Anyone who is a fan of the sisters knows that the only Grand Slam he goes to other than the USO is Wimbledon because he doesn't like to fly plus he likes that the English press has been relatively fair to the sisters.
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i don´t agree i think that the sisters always play better when Richard is "in the zone" LOL. Richard can make her improve her game but he needs to travel more with them. hopefully after this RG he realises that.
Without doubt Venus becomes a sharper more focused player when Richard is around. But for whatever reason he accompanies her about half the time. Venus has had bad losses before. Richard still ain't in Paris. No serious player should have to accept this arrangement.

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Anyone who is a fan of the sisters knows that the only Grand Slam he goes to other than the USO is Wimbledon because he doesn't like to fly plus he likes that the English press has been relatively fair to the sisters.
True. Also, a reporter once found out that he doesn't even like attending matches. He said he didn't want to be part of folks turning their heads one way, the other way, and then "clapping like seals." The comment cracked me up when I read it, but now I'm like: "Venus, do you have a coach?"

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Of course Venus can improve her game a lot, but is she willing to? I think Venus is a very lazy-minded player who thinks she can get by on the gifts she has. The serve and volley horse has been ridden into the ground already; can't you see that Venus is not willing to change?

Every FedCup that she participates in the same argument comes up: Venus would be almost unbeatable with a serve and volley game and she does it for a little while then it's back to her old ways.

However I really don't think that was Venus' problem today. Venus seemed flat and uninspired, almost like she didn't expect much of herself today and I have no idea why.

But back to the topic I really think Venus can improve if she really tried, but she's just not willing to try. Losing this FO is a huge blow to her; she wanted it badly, but she has to learn the hard way. I fear that if she doesn't make the kind of commitment to strengthening her weaknesses and perfecting her strengths that RG Finals is the best she'll do. I'm not counting her out at all but I think she has to adapt a no-lazy, I'm-not-good-enough-as-is attitude and push herself to be much better because she has a lot of potential. Hope? I don't know.

I don't think Venus needs a new coach, tho; she just needs her coach. Poor Richard, I really sympathize with his hatred of flying but Vee especially needs him there 24/7. He has a huge impact on her performance and IMO she plays well because she wants him to be pleased. Her mother just sits there and squirms/claps the opponent/ winces/claps the opponent. I don't think Vee and Rena need a chaperone; they're adults already, but a coach (Richard) would go a long way to at least make them strive harder.

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I think that before Venus makes some major changes she will have to first take a couple steps back. This is a move that Venus may be unwilling to make. We all remember the poor results that Justine had while fixing her serve.
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Of course Venus can improve her game a lot, but is she willing to? I think Venus is a very lazy-minded player who thinks she can get by on the gifts she has. The serve and volley horse has been ridden into the ground already; can't you see that Venus is not willing to change?

Every FedCup that she participates in the same argument comes up: Venus would be almost unbeatable with a serve and volley game and she does it for a little while then it's back to her old ways.

However I really don't think that was Venus' problem today. Venus seemed flat and uninspired, almost like she didn't expect much of herself today and I have no idea why.

But back to the topic I really think Venus can improve if she really tried, but she's just not willing to try. Losing this FO is a huge blow to her; she wanted it badly, but she has to learn the hard way. I fear that if she doesn't make the kind of commitment to strengthening her weaknesses and perfecting her strengths that RG Finals is the best she'll do. I'm not counting her out at all but I think she has to adapt a no-lazy, I'm-not-good-enough-as-is attitude and push herself to be much better because she has a lot of potential. Hope? I don't know.

I don't think Venus needs a new coach, tho; she just needs her coach. Poor Richard, I really sympathize with his hatred of flying but Vee especially needs him there 24/7. He has a huge impact on her performance and IMO she plays well because she wants him to be pleased. Her mother just sits there and squirms/claps the opponent/ winces/claps the opponent. I don't think Vee and Rena need a chaperone; they're adults already, but a coach (Richard) would go a long way to at least make them strive harder.
I agree Venus plays better when Richard is there but I disagree that Venus is lazy. I've seen her practice as hard as anyone. I think she struggles with motivation. This is where Richard is vital for Venus.
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I agree with the sentiments that say even though she won't be able to fix her serve and forehand (at least not very quickly) she can fix her head so that she takes advantage of her serve and volley potential.


A couple of weeks ago she was going on and on about how she was coming to the net and she discovered that she liked it.

I wish that she would take that attitude on the court with more consistency.

And I do think that she needs to get a new coach. It won't happen though unless Richard insists. And he should be selfless enough to do that.
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