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post #1 of 131 (permalink) Old May 28th, 2004, 10:50 PM Thread Starter
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Can someone explain these comments to me?

After Serena's 2nd round match she said:

"I just had a bad day. I couldn’t keep a ball in," Serena said. "It was one of those days. When I practiced I felt a little weird. I was just spraying balls. I made a thousand mistakes."

But if you really look at the stats, it ain't like Kirilenko had a great match either. Although some would say she had the "match of her career."

Match Summary

Kirilenko (RUS) Williams (USA)

1st Serve % 55 of 92 = 60 % 50 of 82 = 61 %
Aces 1 3
Double Faults 6 3
Unforced Errors 20 26
Winning % on 1st Serve 32 of 55 = 58 % 32 of 50 = 64 %
Winning % on 2nd Serve 20 of 37 = 54 % 19 of 32 = 59 %
Winners (Including Service) 15 30
Receiving Points Won 31 of 82 = 38 % 40 of 92 = 43 %
Break Point Conversions 4 of 7 = 57 % 6 of 14 = 43 %
Net Approaches 8 of 15 = 53 % 10 of 16 = 63 %
Total Points Won 83 91
Fastest Serve 161 km/h 185 km/h
Average 1st Serve Speed 148 km/h 160 km/h
Average 2nd Serve Speed 129 km/h 132 km/h

Hmmm, exactly WHERE did Kirilenko have better stats than Serena????? I don't see it. Serena had twice as many winners, and only 26 UFEs. That doesn't sound like "a thousand mistakes" or like she's "spraying the ball", does it?

Comparatively, Serena beat Benesova EASILY, but in that match she had 29 UFEs. So who is she kidding?????

Sounds like excuses to me. And people wonder where she gets the "arrogant" label from?

Maybe Kirilenko is better than people think? But it ain't like either player had a GREAT or BAD match, going by the stats. Looked pretty even.

What am I missing?

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Only you, Mt. Rushmore, could accuse someone of "making excuses" after a win.....

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Haven't you heard?...Serena loves to make mountains out mole-hills. I got used to it already.
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You printed the over all match stats. It looks different when you break it down by sets. Most of Serena's better play and better stats happened in the second set which she won 6-2. She played worse in the first and third sets. She was down 2-5 in the first and didn't have great stats, then down 2-4 in the third with bad stats again. If she was the was playing better the entire match, then why was she down breaks in 2 out 3 sets? Also, this stat doesn't show how many errors where counted as forced because Serena had way more than just 26 errors.

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serena said in PRACTICE, she sprayed 1000's of balls, in the match, she couldn't keep a ball in.

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Haven't you heard?...Serena loves to make mountains out mole-hills. I got used to it already.
Talk about making mountains of mole hills, some people are hanging on to Serena's every word like a squirrel to a nut; or your mom to your dad's.

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What explanation? Serena gave her explanation and you don't buy it. An explanation isn't something you are looking for especially when you've made up your mind as to what Serena has said and what she meant. A change in subject title doesn't change your own opinion or intent of this thread.

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After Serena's 2nd round match she said:

"I just had a bad day. I couldn’t keep a ball in," Serena said. "It was one of those days. When I practiced I felt a little weird. I was just spraying balls. I made a thousand mistakes."

But if you really look at the stats, it ain't like Kirilenko had a great match either. Although some would say she had the "match of her career."

Match Summary

Kirilenko (RUS) Williams (USA)

1st Serve % 55 of 92 = 60 % 50 of 82 = 61 %
Aces 1 3
Double Faults 6 3
Unforced Errors 20 26
Winning % on 1st Serve 32 of 55 = 58 % 32 of 50 = 64 %
Winning % on 2nd Serve 20 of 37 = 54 % 19 of 32 = 59 %
Winners (Including Service) 15 30
Receiving Points Won 31 of 82 = 38 % 40 of 92 = 43 %
Break Point Conversions 4 of 7 = 57 % 6 of 14 = 43 %
Net Approaches 8 of 15 = 53 % 10 of 16 = 63 %
Total Points Won 83 91
Fastest Serve 161 km/h 185 km/h
Average 1st Serve Speed 148 km/h 160 km/h
Average 2nd Serve Speed 129 km/h 132 km/h

Hmmm, exactly WHERE did Kirilenko have better stats than Serena????? I don't see it. Serena had twice as many winners, and only 26 UFEs. That doesn't sound like "a thousand mistakes" or like she's "spraying the ball", does it?

Comparatively, Serena beat Benesova EASILY, but in that match she had 29 UFEs. So who is she kidding?????

Sounds like excuses to me. And people wonder where she gets the "arrogant" label from?

Maybe Kirilenko is better than people think? But it ain't like either player had a GREAT or BAD match, going by the stats. Looked pretty even.

What am I missing?
serena and venus have always been really hard on themselves. that critique them selves very well and somtimes it seems like they go overboard but you know what the following round they look good. So we will see tomorrow how things look for Serena. But I don't think the match was to great b/c there were a lot of errors.

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What am I missing?
Dipping sauce maybe?

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Talk about making mountains of mole hills, some people are hanging on to Serena's every word like a squirrel to a nut; or your mom to your dad's.
...as a Martina fan, I know how irritating that is...
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Serena made those comments because she thought she played poorly. I don't agree with that sentiment, but I wasn't the one out on the court. If she expects to win every match 6-2, 6-2, good for her, because that tells me she's not satisfied with where she is. People like "cheesestix" will dislike Serena and Venus no matter what, so explaining things to them won't do a bit of good.

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The bottom line is that Serena had 30 winners and only 26 unforced errors in her 3 set win over Maria Kirilenko. And that's not alot of unforced errors for Serena in a 3 set match. I believe Serena's greatest assest as a tennis player is limiting her opponenets winners. Kirilenko had 15 winners and played a good all court match. But Serena's tremendous court coverage and great defense always limits her opponents abilty to hit winners.

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Only you, Mt. Rushmore, could accuse someone of "making excuses" after a win.....
Mt Rushmore?

Only SERENA would make excuses AFTER A WIN! You know that she does, as do her fans.

She makes excuses to explain why she struggled against a no-name player. She has to have some excuse for why she didnt' win 6-0 6-0, right? Because we all know she's perfect. IMHO, in her mind, she's perfect, unbeatable, and she has to say something to convince others (and herself) of why she didn't dominate.

Fans do the same damn thing sometimes....."Serena played like shit, her opponent had the match of her career"

Anyone can look at the stats and tell that it was a close, even match.
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