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Is Maria Kirilenko Good? Or was it a Fluke?

No really. Is she really that good? or was it just she played the match of her life combined with Serena's low level?

How many times have we seen a lower player play a great match, but they do little or nothing else? (Think: Cap's first round; Kandarr vs. Mauresmo in 01; Weingartner vs. Cap AO 03--although Marlene is making a run here, her first since the AO; Krasnoroustkaya vs. Kim Canada--she hasn't done any thing since).

I guess time will tell (since Emelie Loit almost beat Serena, it's like she been another player...I hadn't heard of Loit before that AO match)
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I think she is good, she reached the third round of the US Open last year (where she was beaten 6-4 6-3 by Amelie which is no mean loss) and has had good wins on the tour (Kapros, Zheng, Callens, Barna). Ok maybe she might not have been as up for the match if it wasetnSernea, but shes only 17 and I think we shall see her for many years to come.

The loses you've shown were to do with the players shortcomings, Mauresmo was cleary nearvous and Jana had the experience to deal with it, Cappy was just playing BAD. But both Maria and Yulia both played there hearts out, and theres nothing that Serena and Jen could have dont much better to beat them more easily, even Jen herself admited that.

Maria was going for broke, ebing aggressive, using angles, attacking the net with confidense, and going for it on her second serve. You dont get that kinda of performance in ONE match, she was cleary thinking out a stragedy. She knew Serenas forehand was miss firing and in a lot of points, just played to the forehand until she forced a mistake. That kinda thinking is a talent, not just something she improvised while on court. She only lost the match, cos Serena was the better player, the better fighter.

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Hmmm....time will tell. But there´s an example for that: Karolina Sprem...

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she didn't impress me first time around but i'll watch the match again.
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she didn't impress me first time around but i'll watch the match again.
I wasn't all that impressed either...she played pretty well and demonstrated good shotmaking but... not jumping on that bandwagon. I'll wait and see how she plays over the coming months.

I have yet to see Sprem play..she's been bombing out of matches since she heartily challenged and lost to Venus Sprem's game sounds VERY promising but if she could just win when it counts...
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Again, cannot take anything away from Maria. She played a surprisingly agressive, smart clay-court match against Serena. Fearless play if you will.

But as I mentioned in another thread, I want to see how good this girl really is on a faster surface. Somehow, I suspect if Maria were to meet Serena in the third round of Wimbledon, it will be one entirely different match.
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well, Brad Gilbert is impressed with her and suggested that she could be the next Martina Hingis...

Let's hope in future Grandslams , Maria K has the chance to go deeper and so more tv exposure to us viewers in order to see her game.

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Again, cannot take anything away from Maria. She played a surprisingly agressive, smart clay-court match against Serena. Fearless play if you will.

But as I mentioned in another thread, I want to see how good this girl really is on a faster surface. Somehow, I suspect if Maria were to meet Serena in the third round of Wimbledon, it will be one entirely different match.
grass is a totally diff story but thats not only for maria k but all the russians plus all other players. the williams sisters are almost unbeatable on grass. remember last year vera beat venus on clay at RG but got whipped on grass at wimby only a month later and petrova had just reached the semis of RG and venus thrashed her a month later on grass at wimby and petrova's game is very suited to grass. the only russian that could possibly challenge the williams sisters or at least not get thrashed by them is maybe sharapova but seeing as petrova gets killed even with that serve of hers im not sure sharapova (at least not atm) could challenge them.

kirilenko has a lot of talent but she is very inconsistent atm.

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grass is a totally diff story but thats not only for maria k but all the russians plus all other players. the williams sisters are almost unbeatable on grass. remember last year vera beat venus on clay at RG but got whipped on grass at wimby only a month later and petrova had just reached the semis of RG and venus thrashed her a month later on grass at wimby and petrova's game is very suited to grass. the only russian that could possibly challenge the williams sisters or at least not get thrashed by them is maybe sharapova but seeing as petrova gets killed even with that serve of hers im not sure sharapova (at least not atm) could challenge them.

kirilenko has a lot of talent but she is very inconsistent atm.

good luck for the grass season maria k!
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But as I mentioned in another thread, I want to see how good this girl really is on a faster surface. Somehow, I suspect if Maria were to meet Serena in the third round of Wimbledon, it will be one entirely different match.
No reason that this should matter. Grass is not a superior surface, merely a different one... and speculation like that is pretty irrelevant. Masha's results suggest that she's best on hardcourts, anyway.

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I have yet to see Sprem play..she's been bombing out of matches since she heartily challenged and lost to Venus Sprem's game sounds VERY promising but if she could just win when it counts...
She's only played ONE match since the Venus loss! It was a bad loss, but give her time.

I think what impressed me most about the Masha v Serena match was that Serena wasn't playing especially badly, at least not in the third set... and Masha stayed right with her, out-thinking and out-manoeuvring her, until she choked. Nonetheless... Masha's year to date has not been stellar. There's no denying she has talent, though.
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I think she is good, but not like some people are saying! I didnt see the match but everytime a player challenges the Williams sisters everyone instantly jumps on their bandwagon! I dont think shes top 10, but maybe she can be top 50.
Shes been in good form anyway, she recently won a 50K. She doesnt play like this all the time, shes been quite inconsistent this year.
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Sprem has played 3 matches since losing to Venus.

It will be interesting to see how the 2 Maria's and Sprem play in the next couple of years.

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Sprem has played 3 matches since losing to Venus.

It will be interesting to see how the 2 Maria's and Sprem play in the next couple of years.

Experimentee, good point.
Thank you for clarifying that! I knew that she had played more than once since that loss to Venus!
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No reason that this should matter. Grass is not a superior surface, merely a different one... and speculation like that is pretty irrelevant. Masha's results suggest that she's best on hardcourts, anyway.



She's only played ONE match since the Venus loss! It was a bad loss, but give her time.

I think what impressed me most about the Masha v Serena match was that Serena wasn't playing especially badly, at least not in the third set... and Masha stayed right with her, out-thinking and out-manoeuvring her, until she choked. Nonetheless... Masha's year to date has not been stellar. There's no denying she has talent, though.

Me thinks it was more Serena missing her shots than any outthinking?! What´s up with that anyway?! Don´t need much thinking when your opponent is missing....

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of course she would miss her shots if she was out-witted and in the wrong place to hit them.

or else she would be superwoman

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