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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old May 3rd, 2004, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
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Let's Straighten This Out!

Venus is not winning, because she is not playing top ten players, nor is she becoming a clay-court specialist, nor is she peaking before that all-important stretch of seven weeks between and including Roland Garros and Wimbledon. Venus is simply returning to the dominating spot that she once held in the tennis world twenty-one monts ago. Venus, in the summers of 2000 and 2001, was the most dominant player on the tour, however, was not ranked #1 until 2002, where she reigned for only 11 weeks, the least of all players to hold that honor. Her short reign however was not her fault. She earned that ranking numerous times, people with lesser career achievements have held that spot for longer. She really was getting into her most dominating stretch, when Serena evolved from a moon orbiting Venus, to a solar system of her own. Venus was still a great player. No other duo in HISTORY (inc. Evert/Navratilova Graf/Seles, Hingis/Davenport) reached 4 consecutive Grand Slam finals, but they did (THEY meaning Venus and Serena, Venus couldn't win Serena's matches, and Serena couldn't win Venus', they both had to win 6 consecutive singles matches [they won doubles titles at two of those Grand Slams {02 Wimbledon and 03 Oz Open}]). Venus is a great player, but it's taken her a long time to get over such important injuries which affected her serve, overheads, grounstrokes and movement (abdominal, thighs, wrists). Venus is a FIGHTER, and has gracefully fought through all of these injuries en route to returning to the top 10. One thing everyone must remember is that Venus, and Serena, are most dangerous when they are underestimated. The WTA tour better be on alert. Even Serena better step it up next week in Italy, or else she'll be holding four consecutive Grand Slam runner-up plates. Venus is GREAT, and now that she's playing healthily, I don't think many people can stop her...if any at all!

Career Grand Slam in your 20s? Been there done that. Career golden slam your 30s?
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Venus is GREAT, and now that she's playing healthily, I don't think many people can stop her...if any at all!
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Such a unique thread.

I applaud you!!!
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No one actually suggested Venus is only winning because she hasn't meet non top 10 players.
No one on this site has, but I've read some editorial stories about Venus' recent success.

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No one on this site has, but I've read some editorial stories about Venus' recent success.
Who Cares? Venus is winning thats all that counts. She can't help who plays and who don't play. Who advances and who don't advances. The same was afforded to Justine when Venus and Serena was out...or lost early. It's no one's fault. Fact remains you still have to perform, compete, and now that Venus is about 80% she's getting back to that level.

Let them talk, as long as Venus continues to rack up titles...WHO CARES WHAT THEY SAY? I DON'T!

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She can't help who plays and who don't play. Who advances and who don't advances. The same was afforded to Justine when Venus and Serena was out...or lost early.
Well, actually, there certainly were more than enough pundits and posters who were eager to diminish Justine's Slam wins and her ranking (and Kimmie's ranking, and Amelies...) because Venus and Serena weren't around.

But I agree, it was stupid then, it's stupid now. Venus has no control over whether player x is injured or whether Amelie's brain explodes in an early round.

Would I be more impressed if she'd beaten some of the top 10 in the last few weeks? Well d'uh. But winning two tournaments in a row - her longest winning streak since 2002 from what I've read - while still on the comback trail is still pretty friggin' impressive.

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Well, actually, there certainly were more than enough pundits and posters who were eager to diminish Justine's Slam wins and her ranking (and Kimmie's ranking, and Amelies...) because Venus and Serena weren't around.

But I agree, it was stupid then, it's stupid now. Venus has no control over whether player x is injured or whether Amelie's brain explodes in an early round.

Would I be more impressed if she'd beaten some of the top 10 in the last few weeks? Well d'uh. But winning two tournaments in a row - her longest winning streak since 2002 from what I've read - while still on the comback trail is still pretty friggin' impressive.
I agree, and i was always supported Justine and Kimmie to the extent that it's not their fault Venus and or Serena was out injured and/or couldn't advance in a tournament for more competitive tennis. They competed, they won, even Venus has stated, no one gets to where they are without hard work and that they deserve to be there. I feel the same way...Yeah, we play the "what if" card, but the reality card states they are not there...take advantage, and I think Venus is doing that now, gaining confidence in the process.

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Well, actually, there certainly were more than enough pundits and posters who were eager to diminish Justine's Slam wins and her ranking (and Kimmie's ranking, and Amelies...) because Venus and Serena weren't around.

But I agree, it was stupid then, it's stupid now. Venus has no control over whether player x is injured or whether Amelie's brain explodes in an early round.

Would I be more impressed if she'd beaten some of the top 10 in the last few weeks? Well d'uh. But winning two tournaments in a row - her longest winning streak since 2002 from what I've read - while still on the comback trail is still pretty friggin' impressive.
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Great thread and post by mrserena willams. However, there were some individuals, on this board, who dismissed her recent success because of the absence of some top players in the events that she won.

VENUS is the hottest player on the tour at this time and a win in Berlin will send a shockwave through the tour and hype up excitement everywhere, especially on this board.

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The only difference is that no one diminished Venus accomplishments in the last 2 weeks, while there are tons of people who diminished Justine and Kim accomplishments in the last year.
weren't you the one saying that venus only won tier III's diminishing the quality of the field she had to face? Also, diminishing her accomplishment of winning a tier I & II?
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I thought the original post was educational and well written. Venus is certainly a force to be reckoned with, and though not a major fan I hope she continues to succeed. it is nice to see her back in form!!!!!
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Being lucid on what players she beated doesn't diminish her accomplishment. I've heard people saying Henin would NEVER have won 3 slams if Venus and Serena wouldn't have been injured... Did I say Venus would have never won Charleston or Warsaw with Henin, Clijsters and Serena being in the draw? No. Did I say she won't win Berlin?
I am going to say this as delicately as I can.
You Can't say that about Venus, pretaining to Henin and Clijsters b/c they have yet to prove they can beat Venus on a consistent basis. I would've accepted the comment if it pretained to Serena vs. Venus, but not the other to metioned. Sorry, just the truth. SO you we're not compelled to state that b/c of the facts. Once they turn the tables on Venus...then, we can say...you're probably correct...but they have yet to prove they can beat Venus Consistently beating her 1 time each..and Kimmy got a extra Retirement win.

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Being lucid on what players she beated doesn't diminish her accomplishment. I've heard people saying Henin would NEVER have won 3 slams if Venus and Serena wouldn't have been injured... Did I say Venus would have never won Charleston or Warsaw with Henin, Clijsters and Serena being in the draw? No. Did I say she won't win Berlin? No, we'll have to wait. I just had a lucid view of the kind of opponents she beated; if people feel it's diminishing accomplishment they are paranoid.

We all know Venus can beat those kind of players. She was able to beat them at Key Biscayne (when tons of people were suggesting back then that the real Venus would never come back), was able to beat them in the last 2 weeks and will always able to beat them until she's 28. She was even able to beat Brandi on one leg at the Australian Open.

Good that some people are excited about her wins but that just doesn't make her the fave for the French Open. And it does NOT mean that the dominant Venus of 00' or 01' is back. Please come back to me when she'll be Clijsters, Henin, Serena, Capriati or Mauresmo on clay.
so your saying referring to her wins as tier III wins is actually being realistic?

So you weren't diminishing her wins you were what uplifting them, right?

Referring to her Tier I title as a tier III is diminishing it. That's the point of having a certain tier associated with the tournament right to determine it's prestige. So to refer to someone's win as a lesser tier win is to diminish it's prestige. So keep telling yourself you weren't trying to diminish her wins if you want but that doesn't make it so. There's a difference in talking about the competition and referring to someone's win as a Tier III. Also, when Justine beat the same player to win Dubai did you call her win a tier III? If not then your full of it.


Who cares if you said she would've lost to Henin? That's speculation and that's all we do on this board. It's a henin fan's right to think she would win if she's in a tournament just like it's a Williams fan's right to think the same.

You know it's one thing to be upset at what others say about your fav and it's one thing to get revenge but at least be honest when you're doing it and not pretend like your above it all while you wallow in the gutter.

Also, when someone suggested Martina look at Venus now I believe your comment was

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I'm sure she's really inspired by Venus Tier III wins.
in the thread http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=113136

are you trying to say you weren't attempting to diminish Venus' wins then?

Are you a liar or are you just that out of touch with your own actions and motivations?
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I do believe that with all the players in a tournament we can see who is the REAL dominant player. I have always believed that regardless of whom you were playing a win is a win. I did feel that H-H did take advantage of the Williams absence especially at the USO. The other top players should of did the same thing.

I am just happy that Venus is getting her game back on track and winning some of these tournaments. I feel this will give her alot more confidence on clay when she does indeed meet a H-H, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Davenport, and even baby sis. I have always felt that it does not matter whom Venus plays, it only matters how she executes her game. Of course the argument can be made that she is not dominant now because she has not beaten a top ten player, but we will have to see how it all plays out.

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I agree with everyone that says VENUS is the GREATEST!!!!

The rest are HATE-FILLED RACISTS that know nothing about TENNIS!!!!
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