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Well I got my answer to the "Why isn't Venus going to the net more?" question

Oracene is there with her. I can't stress enough how different their practices are when Oracene is there and when Richard is there. Thank God, Venus has some confidence now.

Richard practiced net play with Venus over and over in Charleston. I guess it was in the front of her mind. I'm wondering if the same things are going on in practice now.

Wasn't the fed cup on red clay? She came to net a lot. I don't think it's the clay or her opponent. I think it's Venus' mindset.

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I was just talking with my tennis buddy this morning. he said "venus is playing really well" and my reply was " Richard is there with her!!". I love the team of Venus and Richard, it seem that Richard is more cable of getting Venus to do certain things that Oracene may not be able to. I'm sure that Venus and Serena aren't coached the exact same way. I get the feeling that Richard makes them really put the hours in on the practice courts!! I'm just so happy that my girl is doing so well right now, she deserves it and so do all of her true fans who stick by her during her down times!! By the way, is it too soon to label Venus a "clay court specialist" lol!! or does this title require a FO title??!!

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Remember when Serena was falling all over the place at Wimby when she was playing Els Callens? Well the next day she said she called her dad to ask him what she was doing wrong, he told her and when she played Chanda the next day she did not have a problem with her footing at all.

Richard is so knowledgable of tennis techniques, and I think Venus needs that guidance more than Serena. Venus makes a lot of technical errors at times, so I would prefer Richard to be there to straighten them out and to help her improve those parts that are always breaking down.

Oracene is alright, but I just don't think she pushes the girls like Richard does.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Oracene told her NOT to come to net just because Richard told her to come to net. Or maybe Venus doesn't want to practice things her dad is helping her with in front of her mom to not hurt her feelings? This is all just rambling because it's very hard to judge the dynamics in a seperated family.
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Well I've seen Serena practice with Richard and I've seen Serena practice with Oracene and well there is no comparison. I've only seen Venus practice with Richard but it was very much like the Serena session I saw.

Richard is involved in the practice. He instructs the hitting partner where to hit and what parts of the game to work on. Oracene sits and talks to Kerry... Serena just hit with the hitting partner but other than practicing her serve there was no structure. She just hit with the guys.

Maybe this is why Venus and Serena seem to have the european hitting partner and doesn't use the guys provided by the tournaments? I mean maybe Zoltan has specific instructions from Richard to work on certain things, ala he's a temp type coach?



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I definitely think is which coach is there affects the mindset of Venus. I don't know if it's Oracene and Richard teach two different styles, I don't know if Venus just feels more motivated with Richard, or whether she's afraid of Richard, or whether she just thinks she won't get chastized if Oracene is there.

It sure is strange though. In Charleston, with Richard, Venus was running to the net at every chance she got, and at Fed Cup with Billie Jean King and Zina Garrison, she was doing the same. Then, when Oracene takes over, she's rarely up there.


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For the sake of Venus, I hope Richard goes to Paris.
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Richard isn't that fond of flying is he?

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lets just hope Richard is in Paris
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Richard isn't that fond of flying is he?
Nope.

He rarely EVER goes over seas.

I imagine he went with them when they were younger, but not now.

Wimbledon is really the only tournament he flies to that's over seas, and even last year, he wasn't going to go. Serena, however, convinced him to go, and the year before, he was sick I believe.

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Richard isn't that fond of flying is he?
No he doesn't. This is why Oracene historically has gone to Australia and Paris. I think Richard likes London, which is why he has been there (With the exception of 2002)
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I think that Oracene is not nearly as motivating or effective as Richard but at this stage of her career Venus should know better, she should know what works. She said in a recent interview that she liked how it felt going to the net and winning points at the net. Are you trying to tell me that Oracene should be able to convince Venus to play otherwise if she (Venus) found it to be more successful.

I agree that Richard is the real coach and has a lot more impact on the girls' improvement. As far as I'm concerned Orancene just travels with them because he can't, as a support base both morally and as family; it must be difficult for these players to be away from home for such long periods and only being able to communicate with their families by phone, so they (who can afford to have it) need a family member there. I was so heartened to read today that both Sjeng Schalken and Marat Safin (although I'm jealous as hell) have their female companions with them. It helps, you know.

But a coach Oracene is not, and if Venus dares to listen to advice she knows isn't best for her it'll be her own undoing. Maybe Richard can catch a boat to Paris and get there in time for RG, huh?

Go, Venus, do the right thing not the politically correct thing.
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I think that Richard let the sisters know he have confidence in them and is honest at how he rates their performances. I imagine Oracene is only telling them to do the best and such, but it is not the same as Richard. Just look at his interviews after the matches and how he says that the sisters either had the match or didn't do this to win. He rarely says the person outplays the sisters. He blames the sisters for the lost and that is mental. It gives them a mental edge that every match is theirs to lose.

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