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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old Apr 29th, 2004, 10:36 PM Thread Starter
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How important is the 'career slam'?

Is winning all four GS titles REALLY that big a deal?

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I think it's a majour achievement...it not only demonstrates one's ability to excel on four different surfaces, but one must also be prepared and consistent at different times during the season.

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No. Hingis didn't win the French but will go down as one of the greatest players ever. Seles didn't win Wimbledon but will go down as one of the greatest players ever.
Sanchez-Vicario only won Paris and New York but has gone down as one of the great players ever.

It's an amazing accomplishment, but not winning it isn't the end of a career.
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I believe so (except in Monica's case ...just kidding). To me, it shows that a player can adapt and has "game".

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No. Hingis didn't win the French but will go down as one of the greatest players ever. Seles didn't win Wimbledon but will go down as one of the greatest players ever.
Could you give me some idea of how many players YOU would put into a group called the 'greatest players ever? Sometimes I stop at six, occasionally I go to eight, maybe ten tops.

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Goolagong

How on earth did you get Hingis on such a list? There are, if you didn't know, eighteen players with more GS singles titles, and ten with more GS singles and more GS doubles. To me, 'greatest players ever' is supposed to be a SMALL group. I usually go with the 'Big Six' and stop. And yes, I know there's more to greatness than GS titles, but ....

I mean, this is how people get to calling SERENA one of the greatest of alltime. By going with their gut, when all the objective measures say otherwise.

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Maybe that answers your own question Volcana - would you put Hingis on your list if she had won that one extra match in 1997 ?
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Maybe that answers your own question Volcana - would you put Hingis on your list if she had won that one extra match in 1997 ?
No. But of course, that would basically give her Serena's current record, and you'll note Serena isn't on my personal all-time great list either. I'm kind of a hardcase about that sort of thing. Too many players are called 'all-time greats'. I wasn't ever a fan of Graf, but you'd think she'd never played when you look at the records of others who get called 'all-time greats'.

I can only barely make the cases for Goolagong, Connolly and Seles.

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I don't like Volcana. I think it's huge, winning a career Slam. Only 14 people have made the career Slam. Althea Gibson is better remembered and considered a better player than Doris Hart and Shirley Fry, both of whom have the career Slam. Gibson doesn't. So I assume Volcana will pull everything about them from the Internet and then act like he knows their results when he's in fact never heard of them.

I think most view Sampras as better than Agassi, but it is Agassi who has the career Slam. In this day, it's amazing that Serena did it all, she really is that good. But Hingis "should" have won those two French finals. What the result of ONE match does to ONE player, even Gibson, who lost an Australian final, is amazing. If Hingis had won that French against Majoli and not succumbed to pressure later that year later at tournaments, she'd not only have the Grand Slam but a career Slam. It's ONE match. Strange. I think winning all 4 is huge, but history doesn't seem to support it. Career Slammers are the best but most are not remembered well. Sad, but true. So, to answer that turd's question, it really doesn't matter.
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Serena winning the "Serena" slam was a great accomplishment and only a handful of champions have a career slam. I think when you can win them back 2 back, you are showing as a player that you are the best over a period of time on all 4 surfaces.

I really don't even understand why this is a question. A career slam is a great accomplishment whomever achieves it.

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It isn't that important. Ex. Pete Sampras!!
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It isn't that important. Ex. Pete Sampras!!
Has Pete Sampras won the FO?

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A career slam is a great accomplishment whomever achieves it.
Who cares who? I was looking at that Serena vs Hingis thread and concluded most people don't think it amounts to much. But that didn't make a lot of sense, so I figured I'd ask.

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Who cares who? I was looking at that Serena vs Hingis thread and concluded most people don't think it amounts to much. But that didn't make a lot of sense, so I figured I'd ask.
Who is most people? Hingis fans? Of course it doesn't amount to much to them because of the obvious rivalry between the two. I don't care WHO accomplishes this feat, it's a great achievement(whether I dislike them or not).

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I think it's important to a player insofar as if the opportunity provided itself, they certainly would take it. The concept of the grand slam in my opinion is important period in that the bottom line is winning and that's what the player wants to do. They want the French, they want the US Open, Wimbledon, and the AO. It shows skill, the ability to adapt to surfaces and players on these surfaces - it is an achievement and a sign to being an all around player.

I can't see a player not wanting to win any of these tournaments, so yes, it is important.

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Has Pete Sampras won the FO?

Yeah, I said that winning the career slam isn't that important. One example is Pete Sampras, he didn't win the French, but he still is the greatest ever!! You proved my point for me with your reply!
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