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VENUS WILLIAMS vs. Martina Hingis: Best rivalry at century's end?

Chucky did hold the #1 title for quite a while, but her slam records, in the finals, may not be as good as that of VENUS.

Hingis:

5 GS titles
7 GS final losses - five to different players

VENUS:

4 GS titles
6 GS losses - 5 to the same player

Hingis ended her career with a 10:9 h-to-h record against VENUS, but lost six of her last eight encounters against the Six Foot Wonder in a rivalry that ran from 1997 to 2002.

Hingis also became one of the very few players to defeat, both VENUS & SERENA in a single tournament. (VENUS was injured & parents just seperated)

The both made each other a better player and produced some of the better matches of their particular era.

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You say the best Rivalry at centuries end but you have included Venus' more recent slam results - if your going from the centurys end Venus has 0 slams and Martina has 5

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You say the best Rivalry at centuries end but you have included Venus' more recent slam results - if your going from the centurys end Venus has 0 slams and Martina has 5
Stay awake in history class next time. A historical time period does not begin nor end based purely on a calendar date.
For instance, the 70's did not end on Dec. 31, 1979, but the era continued a few years into the 1980's period.

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I have heard the 2001 encounter at the AO between Venus and Martina discussed many times, often by TV commentators, and never once did anyone suggest Venus was injured. Venus to my knowledged never said she was injured.

And her parents just separated? God, what was Venus, six or something at the time? Did she ask to live with mommie or daddy, or did she run away from home in protest?

Actually, the best excuse ever was the one Serena offered for her loss to Martina in the previous match. Serena actually said she had a stomach ache. I'm not making this up. Then, after playing just two tournaments at the beginning of the year, Serena withdrew from her next event, citing "exhaustion."
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Stay awake in history class next time. A historical time period does not begin nor end based purely on a calendar date.
For instance, the 70's did not end on Dec. 31, 1979, but the era continued a few years into the 1980's period.
Stay awake in math class next time.
Hingis won 5 out of 12 played Grand Slam finals.
Williams won 4 out of 10 played Grand Slam finals.
Hingis win percentage in Grand Slam finals is 41.7%.
Williams win percentage in Grand Slam finals is 40%.

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Venus was injured during 2001 AO? First I heard of that.

As for her parents being seperated, Martina's parents got divorced when she was 4. What does that have anything to do with the match.

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How the hell can you compare the trauma of an unaware 4 year old to that of a well informed adult??!!

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How the hell can you compare the trauma of an unaware 4 year old to that of a well informed adult??!!
Martina's parents got divorced when she was four. Venus found out her parents were getting seperated in her early twenties. What's that have to do with an Australian Open semifinal? Martina beat Venus like she stole something. Plain and simple.

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I think it was the best rivarly...but it's not fair to use the 01 OZ as an example. At 4-1 first set; 15 of Hingis' 18 points won were from Venus' errors. Venus lost the match.

Use the 99 and 00 US Open semis. Classic tennis. Both of them.
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Martina beat Venus like she stole something. Plain and simple. [/QUOTE]

great answer, now that was funny
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You say the best Rivalry at centuries end but you have included Venus' more recent slam results - if your going from the centurys end Venus has 0 slams and Martina has 5
Technically last century ended at 31st December 2000, not 99. So it's actully Martina 5 Venus 2.

Secondly Venus started on the tour later than Martina and also Martina came from a financialy stable family, Venus came from a poor and rough suburb called Compton, so therefore had less funds to get to the top. Overall I think it was a great rivally, but at the end of the day Venus is the better player.

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Venus was injured during 2001 AO? First I heard of that.
Don't you know that Venus is ALWAYS injured when she loses?
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For instance, the 70's did not end on Dec. 31, 1979, but the era continued a few years into the 1980's period.


According to you I was born in the seventies since I'm now 19 years old?
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puts a new perspective on selective reasoning doesn't it? hahhaha

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According to you I was born in the seventies since I'm now 19 years old?
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"Venus came from Compton, so there was less money?

Where do you think Hingis came from, Beverly Hills?

Hingis was born in Communist Czechoslovakia. Supposedly, her parents were so poor when she was born, they could not afford a two bedroom apartment and moved in with the grandparents.

Hingis later had a better life when she and her mom moved to Switzerland, but almost all of Martina's tennis training came from her mother.

Venus and Serena somehow found the money to move to West Palm Beach, Florida and get Ric Macci to teach them tennis at his academy.

This, poor girls make good routine is most myth as far as the Willies go.

If they were so poor, how did the Williams family have the money to move to Florida? Where did they get the funds to pay Ric Macci? How come Richard didn't have to have a job?
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