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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old Apr 28th, 2004, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
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The third rail of women's tennis

It's death top even discuss it. No, not homosexuality. FAT.

But I'm already dead, so killing me again won't hurt as much. So I can start this thread. Being fat hurts athletic performance. In MOST sports. It can be a competitive advantage. If your sport is the English Channel swim. But if the sport involved running, jumping or fast-twitch muscles, fat is dead weight. I'm not talking about three or four pounds. Having those extra two or three pounds might have won Jenn Capriati the 2003 OZ title. Hingis' body was consuming muscle to sustain itself halfway through the match. Jenn had a little reserve.

But some players are running around the court packing 25-30 extra pounds. To see the difference that can make, losing a lot of weight turned Lindsay Davenport into a three time GS winner, instead of just a hard-hitting top ten player. I'm thinking of players like Alexandra Stevenson, Magui Serna, Eleni Daniilidou, Monica Seles and Marie-Gayanay Mikaelian. (Well, I haven't seen Mikaelian in a while, so maybe it's no longer true in her case.) It's hard not to believe that fat cost Monica another two or three GS titles. It might not be true, but it's still hard not to believe. Stevenson, Serna and Daniilidou werer all top twenty players at one point. Serna and Daniilidou are still close, but their careers have stagnated. All three have a lot of talent, but being very overweight has held them back. (Stevenson has Kournikova's brain to boot. Lethal combination.)

Especially Daniilidou, who's won three tournament inthe last couple years, and beaten Henin-Hardenne, Mauresmo and Capriati. The talent is obvious there.

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Weight loss doesn't correlate with automatic success.

How much thinner was Lindsay Davenport after her return from injury in 2002? How much difference has it made?

I'm not trying to pick holes in your theory but there has to be more to it than just losing a few pounds.
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Having those extra two or three pounds might have won Jenn Capriati the 2003 OZ title.
Much as I wish this were right, it was 2002.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, some players suffer as a consequence of losing weight in that it affects the power behind their shots. I can't think of anyone right now, but it must be a factor.

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Weight does have something to do with what you do with the ball. Lets talk about ms hantuchova. Now its a fact that she has lost a lot of weight. This i believe has affected her play recently. She doesnt seem to have the same pop. It might also be combined with mental frailty right now in her career. In the contrary, ms henin-hardenne is slight and doesnt carry a lot of weight on her, but boy does she hit the ball hard. Perhaps the same can be said about Venus. She is thin, but still carry great pop on the ball.
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I remember comparing hingis and Cap's bodies during the later stages of that final and according to the no fat what so ever brigade Hingis should have outlasted Her, but that little bit of camel-hump on the Captain seemed to help Her thru..the commentators were blaming the different training climates. I also remember leaving the room when Hingis had match point ,and the serve for a bathroom -break- or a leak to give the correct term, thinking it was all over. also years ago a trainer had Navrat and Lendell(spelling)on a strict no -fat on the body policy they looked bad and played like crap if I remember right.
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In most sports weight has a big deal to do with performance. Excess weight can not only reduce mobility, but it can increase the risk of injury.
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Weight loss doesn't correlate with automatic success.

How much thinner was Lindsay Davenport after her return from injury in 2002? How much difference has it made?

I'm not trying to pick holes in your theory but there has to be more to it than just losing a few pounds.
I'm not disagreeing, but I think in Davenport's case the fact that she was returning from injury had to do with her decrease in success.
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Ironically, stick-figure Daja Bedanova (who I then called Bedanunda) did pretty well in '02. She filled out a little for '03, and looked much healthier. (Everywhere Except on the draw sheets).
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Weight loss doesn't correlate with automatic success.
True.

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How much thinner was Lindsay Davenport after her return from injury in 2002? How much difference has it made?
I would answer, bad example. First, there's no way to determine how much the injury affected her. Second, Serena got a LOT better while Lindsay was gone. NOBODY else got to win. Third, when Lindsay first came up on the tour, she weighed over two hundred pounds. She's no lightweight now, but she's almost 50 pounds lighter. I really am talking about being VERY overweight for a professional athlete. The difference in Lindsay's weight pre- and post- surgery wasn't THAT large.

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Much as I wish this were right, it was 2002.
Correction made. Thanx.

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Just to play Devil's Advocate, some players suffer as a consequence of losing weight in that it affects the power behind their shots. I can't think of anyone right now, but it must be a factor.
Venus at OZ '02.

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Please understand, it isn't personal, but there are some truly psychpathic individuals raoming these boards. Establishing personal communications with one led me into territory that was certainly harassing, and could have become truly dangerous to my life.

I'm sorry, but, no.

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The players that we say lost power behind their shots (Venus Oz '02) actually loss muscle. Losing muscle and losing fat are two different things. Sure, losing fat oftentimes involve losing muscle tone, but it doesn't take away power.

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Please understand, it isn't personal, but there are some truly psychpathic individuals raoming these boards. Establishing personal communications with one led me into territory that was certainly harassing, and could have become truly dangerous to my life.

I'm sorry, but, no.
It's cool. I was just going to invite you to the message board on my Venus site. It's my invite only, and you need a password to enter
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