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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old Apr 26th, 2004, 05:20 PM Thread Starter
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I Was Wondering...

...HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PRO PLAYER MALE/FEMALE WHO WAS SUCESSFUL WITHOUT EVER HAVING A COACH? I just think it would be a great tennis story, to have someone come along who taught themself the game and was able to be sucessful at it.

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Alexandra Stevenson, got all the way to the Wimbledon Semifinals last century without a coach.

"I told her, `You don't want to get into a hitting battle with Sharapova, because it would be uneven for Sharapova, because Sharapova only has one good side and that's her backhand,"'. "`You don't want to get into that for the simple reason you would win. So try to hit some balls to her strong side, to her backhand, and that would help you with your match for tomorrow

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No! No! I mean never-ever in their career had a coach. I'm sure that there are a lot of players on the satalite tour that taught themselves the game and do very well, but I was wondering if any of them were sucessful on the pro tour, even if he/she qualified for a pro turnament, I'd consider that a sucess.

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well, Meghann Shannessy(sp) she played for Years without a coach...her story states she taught herself by hitting against a wall....parents saw potential and then sought help...but years and years later.


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The Natural

By Raymond Lee

He never took a formal tennis lesson in his life, yet he struck some of the smoothest strokes the sport has ever seen. He didn’t pick up a tennis racquet until the late age of 12 and a half and played few junior tournaments, but became one of the fiercest competitors to ever step foot on a tennis court.

He was a self-taught player who grew up playing on a public park court in South Central Los Angeles, but produced the type of textbook tennis that made him completely comfortable playing on the game’s greatest stages.

Standing 6-foot-3 1/2 he had the commanding physical presence of a colossus yet covered the court with the grace and speed of a sprinter. He supplemented the strongest serve of his era with fine finesse of an artist whose canvas was the court.

Richard Alonzo Gonzalez, better known as "Pancho", was a charismatic champion, who contradicted conventional wisdom in his approach to tennis, alienated opponents with his raging will to win, but was as good as any player who ever lived and just possibly the greatest player ever.

"Pancho Gonzalez had a great heart," former Wimbledon champion Bobby
Riggs once said. "He loved to play tennis, he loved to win and he loved the game itself. I think Gonzalez, under the right rules and format, might be the greatest tennis player of all time."

Many of Pancho's peers agree with Riggs' assessment. His superior size and speed would make him one of the best athletes even in today's game.

"Gonzalez was a super athlete," long-time friend and rival Pancho Segura said. "He had such a great serve — he aced you a lot. If you lost your serve against Gonzalez, you were in big trouble."

His story is that of a proud, gifted and driven man who never forgot his roots as the son of Mexican immigrants sometimes subject to bias in the largely white, elitist world of tennis at the time.

Gonzalez got into the game almost accidentally. As a child, he pleaded with his parents — Manuel and Carmen — to buy him a new bicycle. On Christmas morning, his mother presented him with a 51-cent tennis racquet that turned out to be one of the greatest investments in tennis history. It was a purchase that would alter both Gonzalez and the game forever.

Armed with the new racquet, Gonzalez began teaching himself tennis on the courts of South Central Los Angeles' Exposition Park. He quickly became consumed by the game and dropped out of high school after two years to pursue his passion.

Local officials used Gonzalez's departure from high school against him and banned him from playing both junior and men's tournaments for almost three years. A frustrated Gonzalez soon found trouble off the court and at 15 was arrested for burglarizing houses. As part of his punishment, Gonzalez served nearly a year in detention and shortly after his release, joined the Navy at the age of 17.

The disciplined life of military service did not exactly appeal to the free-spirited teenager who spent nearly two and a half years without playing any competitive tennis. Gonzalez missed the game greatly, went AWOL once and eventually earned a bad conduct discharge from the Navy in 1947.

Returning home to Southern California, he entered into the first of six marriages in 1948 and though he had played little tennis in the previous years, Gonzalez soon began his climb up the amateur rankings.It was then that the unheralded Gonzalez exploded onto the elite scene, storming through the Forest Hills field as the 17th-ranked amateur player to score a 6-2, 6-3, 14-12 victory over South Africa's Eric Sturgess to capture the 1948 U.S. Nationals, which is the equivalent of the U.S. Open today. He was 20 years old and a Grand Slam champion.

A a year later, Gonzalez turned the final into a showcase for his fierce, fighting spirit. Facing a two-set deficit against top-seeded Ted Schroeder, 16-18, 2-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-4 to successfully defend his championship. The victory gave Gonzalez the credibility to turn pro and play a long tour of 123 matches with the veteran world champion of tennis, Jack Kramer, who was then the world's best player.

At this point of his tennis career Gonzalez only had been playing for five years, not counting his years in the Navy, and lacked the extensive junior tournament experience of his rivals. In tournament play, he was vulnerable to the veterans who had twice as much experience. By playing Kramer at this point of his career it was like feeding a lamb to a lion. Naturally he was crushed by Kramer, who posted a 96-27 against Gonzalez on their initial tour. Amazingly, some wrote Gonzalez off as washed up by the age of 21! Despite this less than stellar start to his pro career, Gonzalez eventually compiled a record as great as any player.

How can Gonzalez possibly be called the greatest? Let’s look at the facts and the records.

In those old prehistoric days before the Open Era, there were three major professional tournaments: the U.S. Pro, the French Professional Championships and the Wembley Professional Championships. Gonzalez claimed 12 professional majors, that plus his two U.S. Nationals makes 14 majors tournaments. When you consider that it was at most three pro majors in a year (sometimes two) as opposed to the four majors we are accustomed to in the Open Era, you realize Gonzalez’s accomplishments in winning majors are all the more impressive.

Some may argue that today’s players are better and that the depth of the game is superior. Yet the old professional tour Gonzalez played on featured some of the best players in tennis history. Generally speaking, the best players in the amateur ranks had to turn pro in order to make a living at tennis. In those days of the old pro tour, even the top stars very rarely had an easy match.

On the pro tour in the 1950s, Gonzalez faced not just exceptional opponents, but Hall of Fame greats. Consider that Gonzalez played legends like Lew Hoad, Tony Trabert, Ken Rosewall, Jack Kramer, Frank Sedgman, Pancho Segura and Alex Olmedo. It was one of the most elite caliber of competitors tennis had seen yet Gonzalez was able to defeat them all and was considered the top professional player in the world for an eight-year period that spanned the mid 1950’s and into part of the early 1960’s.

Gonzalez was the professional world's champion for eight years. The "official" Open Era record for most consecutive years at No. 1 is held by Pete Sampras, who held the top spot for six straight years. Gonzalez won tours over Sedgman, Segura, Rosewall and Hoad, players often cited on the lists of the top players in tennis history.

One of the indications of true greatness in any sport is longevity. Pancho Gonzalez's championship career spanned nearly 25 years from the late 1940s to the nearly 1970s as he played against the game's greats ranging from Don Budge to Rod Laver to Jimmy Connors.

"I don't think I've seen a serve hit more accurately or with more speed than when I turned pro in 1963 and saw Gonzalez facing me on the other side of the net," Laver said.

Even in the late stages of his career after his 40th birthday, Gonzalez was capable of defeating any player in the world on any given day. For example, in 1969 in Pancho’s 41st year, he defeated tennis legends John Newcombe, Ken Rosewall, Stan Smith and Arthur Ashe in succession to win the Howard Hughes tennis tournament in Las Vegas.

Perhaps his most grueling match was his first rounder against Charlie Pasarell at Wimbledon in 1969. Pancho lost the first two sets, 22-24 1-6 and play was suspended because of darkness. Pancho didn’t seem to have a chance. Incredibly he rallied the next day to win the next three sets, 16-14, 6-3 and 11-9, saving seven match points in a gritty, gutsy effort that remains the longest Wimbledon singles match ever played in terms of total time and games. The match lasted five hours and 12 minutes and spanned 112 games. With today's tiebreak rules, it is unlikely we will ever have a longer match at Wimbledon. Not bad for a guy who was 41! Gonzalez is estimated to have won over 120 tournaments. The "official" record holder since 1968 is Jimmy Connors with 109.

If we look at players and judge them strictly by the number of majors they win, we will of course rank 14-time Grand Slam champion Pete Sampras as the top player of all time. But is it fair to judge by this criteria of majors when you realize that professional tennis players have only been allowed to compete in majors since 1968? Thirty-five plus years is a mere fraction of tennis history. Does Sampras, with his 14 majors and 64 total tournament victories compare with Pancho Gonzalez’s 120 plus titles, tours victories over many of the all-time greats, two majors (all at 21 or before) and 12 professional majors?

One may also assert the supposedly physical superiority of today’s players, but Pancho Gonzalez was 6’3 1/2”, 180 pounds with a devastating serve. The renowned tennis instructor, Vic Braden considers Gonzalez’s serve to be the smoothest and perhaps greatest serve in history. According to Braden in his book Tennis 2000, there was no stress on the shoulder and upper arm when Gonzalez served so he could serve as hard in the fifth set as in the first set. Braden was convinced that Gonzalez could easily serve greater than 140 miles per hour with today’s rackets.

"Your service usually determines whether you will win or lose a match," Gonzalez said. "You may be over hitting your first service every time or perhaps you are merely trying to put the ball in play. In either case, the error is fatal. Make a conscious effort to put more sting on the ball. Put your wrist, shoulder and entire body weight into the
serve every time you hit it."

Gonzalez was known for his fluid strokes, his movement, and his fighting spirit. His great serve was backed by an outstanding volley and superb controlled groundstrokes. He was able to hit with great power, yet he had brilliant touch. He moved extremely well and could make great recoveries in defensive positions.

To say it is a combination that is tough to beat is an understatement. To sum up Pancho Gonzalez, you have a man who won more tournaments by far than any player of the Open era. He won more total majors titles (including the old professional majors) than any player of the open era besides Pete Sampras, with whom he is tied with and won tours over many of the all time greats. His career spanned much of tennis history and he defeated players from Bill Tilden to Jimmy Connors!

Clearly Pancho Gonzalez in record and skill is arguably as great or better than any player that ever lived. He was the living breathing tennis version of "The Natural."

My thanks to the Gonzalez family, David Hernandez and Robert Geist for their great help in getting me much of this information. I would also like to give special thanks to the late great Joe McCauley and his wife Rosemary for their wonderful book "The History of Professional Tennis" for filling in much of the gaps in tennis history.

Raymond Lee is a tennis historian who lives in New York. His previous articles for Tennis Week include Numbers Reveal The No. 1 Player Of The Open Era, a statistical study of the top male players of the Open Era, and The Best Of The Best, a comparison of the Open Era's top women. --------------------

Sorry for the length, but I loved this article.
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Great article. Thanks for the info. wow!! I did not know this about Poncho gonzales.


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