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Do you think Venus should play doubles for USA??

......If it's still a live rubber tomorrow??

Nav/Raymond seem a little vunerable right now. We know that great players don't always make a good doubles team. Would placing Vee in there help or hurt the US team??
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Really a tough choice to make - would probably depend on how much Vee's practised with either Martina or Lisa as a team. As you say, great players don't always make a good doubles team - I think Vee in combination with either Martina or Lisa is potentially a better team than Martina and Lisa, but not if there's no team chemistry.

I love the way that Slovenia vs USA is the tightest tie to call in the first round Ultimately, it might be dependent on how bad Kata's injury is.
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Three reasons why it won't happen:

1. Lisa and Martina have been playing together all year.
2. Venus has only had one doubles partner her entire life.
3. Martina has never, repeat, NEVER lost a Fed Cup match, and she ain't about to start now.

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Another question?? Why pick Raymond to play singles on clay. I would think Granville might be a bit better seeing as she is more of a baseliner. Does Granville hate the clay??
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Laura might step in the doubles with Martina after 3-1 for USA

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3. Martina has never, repeat, NEVER lost a Fed Cup match, and she ain't about to start now.
Oh, so Venus WILL get to play... with Lisa!

Granville is close to useless on clay, even more so than Lisa. There are only a few non-elite US women who can win any matches on it at all. Is Shaughnessy injured or something? It might have been more worthwhile taking Samantha Reeves along
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martina and lisa are a great doubles team and very rarely lose to just any team.

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NO!!! Martina and Lisa are a great doubles team and they can win a medal in Athens this year
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NO!!! Martina and Lisa are a great doubles team and they can win a medal in Athens this year
Yes, they are a good team, however, someone mentioned that Lisa will have to play two matches back-to-back! Since she played first today Vee plays first tommorrow, then Lisa, then Lisa and Martina. How much energy will Lisa have? Also, I guess it depends on how hurt Katarina is as to wheather she can play tommorrow or play well. If she's hurt it may give Lisa more of an advantage to win on clay, and heave knows she needs it.

It's all what's in the best interest for the team.
Hopefully Lisa will hold up, as well as
Venua and Martina.
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Three reasons why it won't happen:

1. Lisa and Martina have been playing together all year.
2. Venus has only had one doubles partner her entire life.
3. Martina has never, repeat, NEVER lost a Fed Cup match, and she ain't about to start now.
Very good answers, friend.

All that I can add is that VENUS, despite her numerous GS doubles and mixed doubles titles, is not a technically sound doubles player and would not mesh well with a more traditional player. Especially since they might actually need that match to win the event.

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Ashlet Harkleroad made the semis at Charleston and Strasbourg last year. Wonder why they didn't give her a shot?

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Ashlet Harkleroad made the semis at Charleston and Strasbourg last year. Wonder why they didn't give her a shot?
Maybe, because Zina is trying to win the Fed Cup title.

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......If it's still a live rubber tomorrow??

Nav/Raymond seem a little vunerable right now. We know that great players don't always make a good doubles team. Would placing Vee in there help or hurt the US team??
Didn't Nav and Ray make the Charleston final?

Such a move adds a lot of athleticism, and some free service points, and of course, Venus can hit so hard that some players are going to return ANYTHING she hits weakly. But you lose so much in teamwork. Teamwork is what keeps the court covered in doubles. Adding Venus might help against a young or physically weak team. Against a vet team, that would be a bad move.

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Didn't Nav and Ray make the Charleston final?

Such a move adds a lot of athleticism, and some free service points, and of course, Venus can hit so hard that some players are going to return ANYTHING she hits weakly. But you lose so much in teamwork. Teamwork is what keeps the court covered in doubles. Adding Venus might help against a young or physically weak team. Against a vet team, that would be a bad move.
I totally agree with the argument regarding TEAMWORK, which is precisely why I thought Lisa Raymond had NO CASE in 2000 when she made such a stink about being on the doubles TEAM. Her regular doubles partner back then was Renee Stubbs who is not an American. So for her to have made the team back then would mean pairing her with someone who she did not regularly play with. While Venus and Serena are not considered doubles "specialists", at least they always play together and have established a chemistry that they both were comfortable with.

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I totally agree with the argument regarding TEAMWORK, which is precisely why I thought Lisa Raymond had NO CASE in 2000 when she made such a stink about being on the doubles TEAM. Her regular doubles partner back then was Renee Stubbs who is not an American. So for her to have made the team back then would mean pairing her with someone who she did not regularly play with. While Venus and Serena are not considered doubles "specialists", at least they always play together and have established a chemistry that they both were comfortable with.

One can't have it both ways.
In fairness to Lisa, (and I favored having Serena on the team) she wasn't trying to 'have it both ways'. She felt she actually MADE THE TEAM. She argued, correctly as far as I know, that the #1 ranked doubles player had been taken in '88, '92 and '96. She also said BJK told her that she'd put her on the team. In fact, I think BJK planned to put her on the team. BJK expected Serena to qualify in singles. When she didn't, BJK did what she had to do to get her superstars on the team.

Lisa felt she'd been lied to, and quite posibly was. She lost her court case because the actual rule said the Captain could choose whoever they liked. It just turned out that that had 'always' been the #1 ranked doubles player.

In fact, that rule was there specifically to allow them to take stars over less heralded players.

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