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Which Wil Happen First: Venus win another GS, Kim win 1st GS

I know this is very like the other thread, but in that thread virtually everyone said they'd both win one. I'm asking who's gonna do it first, and WHEN will they do it.

Of course, you have to calculate in surface, injuries, and potential other competitors.

So for example, it's likelier that Venus will win RG '04 than Kim, because it's likelier Venus will play RG '04. But Kim made the final last year, while Venus lost inthe 4th round. So if Kim plays, it seems likelier SHE'LL win there. But you might expect it'll be Justine or Serena again.

I'm not asking if either should be the overall favorite, considering to other players won the last eight slams. Just comparing them to each other.

Of course, Venus and Kim have LOST the last eight straight finals. Venus was inthe '03 Wimbledon final, Kim has never made the WB final, but other than that, they've both been in the finals of all the majors. Venus has been in more finals, Kim has been more recently.

So who will win one first? And which one?

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Venus will win one first I believe.
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Venus will win one first I believe.
Which one? Title AND year, just for fun.

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Which one? Title AND year, just for fun.
Hmmm... that's tough to say. Wimbledon '04
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Hmmm... that's tough to say. Wimbledon '04
Definately Venus French Open '04.
Kim will win one eventually. But she needs to be 100% healthy, and mentally secure. None of which are the case right now...I think she'll definately be able to beat a Serena or even a Venus in a GS a lot easier than she would Justine.
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Definately Venus French Open '04.
Hope you're right. But Venus DID lose in the fourth round last year.

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I think Venus will win her fifth before Kim wins her first, and it will be Roland Garros '04. Kim's best shot to win a major is in Australia, and she hasn't gotten it done the last two years. Venus' best shot has always been Wimbledon, but the window in Paris is open for her because (a) Kim's trying to play through a wrist injury and (b) Justine will probably be rusty from not playing for six weeks. Venus will likely win Roland Garros before she retires, but she'll never have a better opportunity than this year.

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Hope you're right. But Venus DID lose in the fourth round last year.
Well Volcana, that is true. But over the years, I've been able to find some consistentcy in Venus's losses.

If you look at 90% of all her losses over the past 4 years to non-Williams players. All of them have been injury related. Some major, some minor. Some she was just off and her opponent was too good. That loss was the former.

I've always maintained that if Venus plays half way decent, and is injury free, She'll win everything she plays as long as she stays away from Serena. I'd say Justine too but she'll likely lose before gettting to Venus. Plus, for Justine, Venus is death. She HATES playing Venus, she said so herself.

As long as Venus can play within herself, and the field is the way it is now, She'll win the French Open without too much trouble.

But then again I could be wrong, and I'm incredibly biased.
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I'd like to say Venus. I should be able to say Venus; of the Big Four, Kim's easily the weakest link - and it's not just 'a mental thing'. Compared with Serena, Justine and Venus, her game is one-dimensional and limited, and if she wants to play with them on her terms, not theirs, she will have to change her approach to the game. Unless the other three are still injury-ridden, she will win neither RG nor Wimbledon.

However, even then - I'm putting Kim as early favourite for the US Open. Of the Big Four, she's the only one not going to the Olympics - i.e. she is the only one *not* overplaying in this US Open Series thing, then taking a transatlantic flight to spend a week or two in Athens, then most probably playing emotional matches deep into the tournament, then flying back to the US with just a week to recover, emotionally, physically and mentally, for a Grand Slam. And what's more, I think Serena, Venus and Justine are all going to target the Olympic gold far more than another US Open crown - they've all been there, done that. I think Kim will be able to catch them in their Olympic comedown.

So - can Venus take RG or Wimbledon? She may win both, she may win one, she may win neither. That's all up in the air at the moment. We don't know how much the illness will affect Justine... we don't know if Serena's knee will keep playing up or not... and even though she won Charleston, we still don't know if Venus is back to Slam-winning form yet.

So, Kim at the USO '04. I'm not THAT confident in Vee yet.
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So, Kim at the USO '04. I'm not THAT confident in Vee yet.
I, of course, want Venus to win every slam til she retires, but that was incredibly well reasoned.

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Kim's my least favourite player apart from Stevenson, who hardly qualifies as a tennis player and who is good for a laugh anyway. Venus is one of my favourite players. It's hardly what I WANT to happen.

I just can't get over the fact that just ONE WEEK separates the end of the Olympics from the start of the US Open.
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However, even then - I'm putting Kim as early favourite for the US Open. Of the Big Four, she's the only one not going to the Olympics - i.e. she is the only one *not* overplaying in this US Open Series thing, then taking a transatlantic flight to spend a week or two in Athens, then most probably playing emotional matches deep into the tournament, then flying back to the US with just a week to recover, emotionally, physically and mentally, for a Grand Slam. And what's more, I think Serena, Venus and Justine are all going to target the Olympic gold far more than another US Open crown - they've all been there, done that. I think Kim will be able to catch them in their Olympic comedown.
I stand corrected. With the exception of this year, Kim's best shot at winning a major is in Australia.

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That's easy! Venus has beaten every active player on tour that she's played!

She'll win #5 before Kim wins #1 Sorry Kim, I love you, but Venus got her fire back....the rest of the tour is in trouble!

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That's easy! Venus has beaten every active player on tour that she's played!

She'll win #5 before Kim wins #1 Sorry Kim, I love you, but Venus got her fire back....the rest of the tour is in trouble!
Last year's RG performance and Serena's possible presence are no factor at all?

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