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where would lucic be if she continued to develop and progress like she was earlier in

her career? the year she reached the semis was the year that clijsters played graf in the 4th round wasnt it? and also the year dokic made the QF and stevenson got to the semis? not sure about dokic and stevenson but i'm pretty sure that clijsters lost to graf in the 4th round the year lucic got to the semis. anyway look at clijsters now, one of the very top players. where would lucic be now if she had continued the way she was?

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If her life was normal, she'd definitely be in the top 10 right now. I have no doubt about that.
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Is Dokic life normal? Was Pierce life normal? Her results since a couple of years are so mediocre; her personal life is not an excuse.

How could we possibly know, take any player, there's no way to tell where she would be if she would have continue to develop and progress.
Sigh. Never have I seen a poster contradict himself more.

No, Dokic's life isn't normal, and neither was Mary's... And that's why they struggle. Lucic as well. The point you made proves that your personal life IS A FACTOR.
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im not saying it is an excuse i was just asking what everyone thinks about it. no dokic doesnt have a normal life and henin had it pretty tough growing up.

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im not saying it is an excuse i was just asking what everyone thinks about it. no dokic doesnt have a normal life and henin had it pretty tough growing up.
But it is an excuse though. Her problems didn't let her develop properly. When Steffi Graf compliments you they way she did Lucic, you know you got talent, and she has TONS.

Viva Mirjana, I still have hope.
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Yeah, right, Pierce is struggling so much that she won 2 slams and is one of the best player of the tour since 10 years.

And Dokic is still a top player, unlike Mirjana, last time I checked.
Pierce got fat, and now she's nothing. And as much as I hate to say it, Dokic IS NOT a top player, and she has proven that over and over...
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And? How is it relevant to the discussion...? She's reaching the end of her career.


You might not considered her as a top player, but she has a decent ranking and is still able to win matches.
It's relevant to the conversation because Lucic got fat as well... and then was never the same.

And Dokic only has a high ranking because of a couple of good events. She loses more than she wins, and she loses to players ranked extremely low... not a sign of a top player... and if you still think she is one, you're only kidding yourself.
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"It's relevant to the conversation because Lucic got fat as well... and then was never the same."

Pierce was still able to reach the final of a Tier II this year.

"And Dokic only has a high ranking because of a couple of good events."

Well at least she's good in a couple of events.

Just face it, since 6 years or more, Lucic did nothing. Absolutely NOTHING. Not one decent tournement. If she's so talented, as Graf says, how come she's never able to at least have a couple of good tournements?
WOW!!! A TIER 2 FINAL!!! She isn't a factor in tennis anymore.

And I don't care if Jelena had a couple of good events. Bottom line is, she sucks compared to how she was when she was with her father. And she isn't even much of a factor anymore, at least 95% of the time.

And I know Lucic didn't do shit for a while, but that doesn't mean she isn't/wasn't talented. If you saw her Wimbledon run, you'd know she was talented. She also won her first ever WTA event. She has A LOT of talent.
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All I know with Mirjana... is that she's a really sad story.

Nobody can deny that she had incredible talent.
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she laso made the 3rd round of RG a few years ago.

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Probably even more impressive was Mirjana's 2nd tournament in Strasbourg, where she lost to Graf in the final, but knocked out some top players... all while Mirjana was 15.

Even when Venus double-bageled Mirjana at 02 US Open... you could still tell Mirjana had the most power on tour.

Just sad... I wish I knew what's holding her back.
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"WOW!!! A TIER 2 FINAL!!! "

Yes, wow. It's something that Lucic would currently DREAM to achieve.

"And she isn't even much of a factor anymore, at least 95% of the time."

We're talking about a woman ranked 19 in the world. It's not bad if you ask me.

"If you saw her Wimbledon run, you'd know she was talented."

It's ONE tournement. Something like SEVEN years ago.

I mean, of course the girl has talent. Every player in the top 300 has talent. But she's overrated - and needless to say that she is no top 10 material. Just because she's more powerful than other players doesn't make her more talented.
Lucic can dream all she wants. Point is, Pierce isn't a factor anymore. It's not hard to understand.

She's not ranked 19 because she has had good results. Her results suck and everyon knows it, so I don't even understand why you are arguing.

And she has tons of talent, and nothing you can say will change that. Anyone with ANY tennis sense would know she has a lot.
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Can someone explain to me how hitting the ball as hard as you can is "talent"? It might work for a while when you're young, fit and fearless, but to me she's just another average brainless power player.
Power is most definitely a talent...

Just look at Sharapova... her entire game is based on power.
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It is when you're able to win consistently with your power, like Seles does. When you hit the ball as hard as you can and have a good tournement once every 3 years, it's not talent to me.
Cool Canuck, please stop being stupid. Her results as a youngster prove how good she was/should be now. Stop talking out of your ass.
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back when she was 15 these 'good' tournaments happened a lot more frequently.

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