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'One-slam wonders'

It became a bit of a term of denigration, because Pete Sampras is so good at being an ass. However, except for that freakish period in the late 70's, winning even one GS title is a mark of near-ness. Players who win even one have invariably several good consistent top ten years. 'One slam wonder' translates to 'consistently very, very good but not quite great'.

Recent wonders

Conchi - Yousaw vintage Conchi that 1st set against Venus. She just used to be able to do that all tournament long.

Iva Majoli - A perennial top tener for about hald a decade. Her winning RG wasn't that big a shock. If Hingis wasn't around, she'd have been one of the favorites. But 1997 was the Year of Hingis and 'who the hell is sh?'

Sabatini - Never my favorite player. I think that's because I don't like players who succumb to nerves. As PHYSICALLY talented a player as ever stepped out there before Serena. But all the mental backbone of diluted vicchysoise.

Why did I say the late 70's were an exception?

Because the dual answers to the ultimate WTA trivia reside there.

Barbara Jordan and Chris O'Niel both of whom gained their sole professional victories as GS titles.

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Dodo Cheney, who ended up winning more USTA sectional and age divisional titles than any American player in history, was the 1937 Australian Open Champion.

Others in the past have included Karen Susman, Anita Lazina, Sue Barker, Virginia Rucizi and Mima Jausovec.
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[QUOTE=Volcana]It became a bit of a term of denigration, because Pete Sampras is so good at being an ass. However, except for that freakish period in the late 70's, winning even one GS title is a mark of near-ness. Players who win even one have invariably several good consistent top ten years. 'One slam wonder' translates to 'consistently very, very good but not quite great'.
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Can I ask what possible relevence to Pete Sampres has absolutely have anything to do with the topic of this thread?
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Dodo Cheney, who ended up winning more USTA sectional and age divisional titles than any American player in history, was the 1937 Australian Open Champion.

Others in the past have included Karen Susman, Anita Lazina, Sue Barker, Virginia Rucizi and Mima Jausovec.
I don't mean to nitpick, Jakeev, but Dodo won the Australian in '38, not '37 (no, I wasn't there). Her mother, fellow Hall of Famer May Sutton Bundy, won three majors (U.S. 1904, Wimbledon 1905 & '07). If one of Dodo's greatgrandchildren ever win Roland Garros, they'll have a multigenerational Grand Slam.

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I don't mean to nitpick, Jakeev, but Dodo won the Australian in '38, not '37 (no, I wasn't there). Her mother, fellow Hall of Famer May Sutton Bundy, won three majors (U.S. 1904, Wimbledon 1905 & '07). If one of Dodo's greatgrandchildren ever win Roland Garros, they'll have a multigenerational Grand Slam.
Thanks babe you are right. Aussie Nancye Wynne won the title in 37.
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Conchi - Yousaw vintage Conchi that 1st set against Venus. She just used to be able to do that all tournament long.

Iva Majoli - A perennial top tener for about hald a decade. Her winning RG wasn't that big a shock. If Hingis wasn't around, she'd have been one of the favorites. But 1997 was the Year of Hingis and 'who the hell is sh?'

Sabatini - Never my favorite player. I think that's because I don't like players who succumb to nerves. As PHYSICALLY talented a player as ever stepped out there before Serena. But all the mental backbone of diluted vicchysoise.
I love the way you talk about vintage Conchita and yet refer to Sabatini as having all the backbone of diluted vicchysoise.

At least Sabatini held it together in grand slam competition to actually beat the likes of Graf to win her grand slam title. She had other major tournament wins with wins over Steffi and Monica when they were at their best - which is more than can be said for Conchita or Iva (no offence to them and their fans because both are still good players).

Some of Sabatini's best opportunities to win major slams resulted in close losses to Steffi, Monica and other very good players.

She was by no means the mentally strongest player out there, but nerves are not an excuse for every loss.

It's not her fault that at times, there were better players out there.
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well does Capriati count? aside from her 2 majors...i cant see her winning a major title...or a grand slam...?
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I love the way you talk about vintage Conchita and yet refer to Sabatini as having all the backbone of diluted vicchysoise.

At least Sabatini held it together in grand slam competition to actually beat the likes of Graf to win her grand slam title. She had other major tournament wins with wins over Steffi and Monica when they were at their best - which is more than can be said for Conchita or Iva (no offence to them and their fans because both are still good players).

Some of Sabatini's best opportunities to win major slams resulted in close losses to Steffi, Monica and other very good players.

She was by no means the mentally strongest player out there, but nerves are not an excuse for every loss.

It's not her fault that at times, there were better players out there.


Imo,Gaby's biggest problem was her inability or stubborness to improve that serve.Thats what cost her,not so much nerves.If Gaby had even a decent ,reliable serve she would have won more slams.
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Sabatini.....had other major tournament wins with wins over Steffi and Monica when they were at their best - which is more than can be said for Conchita or Iva (no offence to them and their fans because both are still good players).
I think it's worth noting that Martinez and Majoli are not in similar positions. Majoli is a more 'typical' one-slam wonder. Majoli was top-5 for, at most, about 2-3 years (1995-1997), and that is being generous. Martinez was top-5 for around 5 years, and still a solid top-10 player for an additional 5 years. She also won a stack more titles than Majoli, and went deep (SF or better) at all of the Slams more than twice.

I agree that Gaby's Slam record is better than Conchita's, and she pressed the top players more than Conchita at the Slams. The only positive for Conchita over Gaby is more titles, more matches won, and sheer longevity (being a top-15/20 player for longer).

Jana is more comparable to Majoli than Gaby or Conchita, but she's actually closer to Gaby and Conchita than Majoli. There's only been one 'true' one-slam wonder since about 1980 and that is Majoli. Gaby, Conchita and Jana looked set to pick up 2 Slams each, possibly 3 in the case of Gaby.

It wasn't to be though. Instead, Mary and Jennifer grab the 'extra' Slams, backing up their less illustrious records in the process.

Conchita, however, is still playing, and has an outside chance of making it.

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well does Capriati count? aside from her 2 majors...i cant see her winning a major title...or a grand slam...?
She has 3 and no she deosnt count.

Come back EVENTUALLY Cappy!! Ok this clearly was written back in a day when I still had faith..


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It wasn't to be though. Instead, Mary and Jennifer grab the 'extra' Slams, backing up their less illustrious records in the process.
Should that not be 'making their records MORE illustrious in the process'?

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Can I ask what possible relevence to Pete Sampres has absolutely have anything to do with the topic of this thread?
The term came into recent usage when Sampras used it about Rafter after his first slam. When Rafter won his second, he said in his post-match "now I guess I'm a two-slam wonder."

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