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Angry Monica Seles was good friends with Hingis

Hey everyone......i am sure everyone knows that Hingis and Seles got along well. I was just watching some tape of Monica's match ( Acura classis - 2001 - qtrfinals) and they had a behind the scene's special on Seles! Guess what.....she was hitting/streching/practising/eating....with HINGIS!! she commented that they are good friends....

Then it just occured.....was Monica's one sided rivalry with Hingis a mere head case? I mean....she lost sooo many times to Hingis....was it because at the back of the head...she knew they were good friends...and it did not matter if she lost! So many times i felt...Monica turned up for matches against Hingis without her distinctive killer instinct!

I thought it would be a interesting discussion....as i take my own example! I have a close friend...and we often play together....and i have noticed...i dont put in much effoer against him....i mean i wanna win...but most of the times i lose to him...where as i beat other players convincingly!

am i a head-case too? ( dont say it guys!!!)

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Interesting theory, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record...

Hingis beat Monica so frequently because of one major factor that contributed to the others: lack of mobility brought about by lack of fitness.

Their first match was in '96, at a period when Monica had a lingering shoulder injury, was not as fit as her top rivals, and was dealing with lots of personal issues. Still, to a large degree, I believe Seles fooled herself into thinking her level of fitness was sufficient to win slams. Winning the Oz Open in '96 and getting to the final of the US Open that year no doubt bolstered that belief.

But Hingis was fresh, and had a near-supernatural ability to expose players' weaknesses from every corner of the court. If Seles had been able to deal immediately with her fitness issues as soon as Hingis exposed them so readily, their head-to-head might have been different. As it is, Seles was only able to beat Hingis when she was so 'on' that the fitness factor was eliminated (i.e., groundies too powerful and accurate to defend with placement and guile).

Hingis beat Seles by simply placing the ball as far from Seles as possible so often that Monica was drawn into errors of exasperation. In their close three-setters that Monica lost, she simply ran out of gas.

It may be that there was a mental factor at times, but I'll bet it was the knowledge that she simply couldn't track down enough balls that quietly ate at Monica as a match progressed (rather than being psyched out by a particular player).
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martina knew how to beat monica, thats why she had so many wins over her ~ not because they were friends
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and they are still friends! Martina said not long ago and she kept contact with Anna and Monica!
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post #7 of 24 (permalink) Old Apr 20th, 2004, 01:14 PM
 
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I love Monica but Martina had her number. You don't beat a player like Monica that many times unless you're doing something right. It's nothing to be ashamed of, Monica is still a great player, as is Martina.

Still, Martina's retired now so that threat is gone.

BTW Monica and ASV were good friends and look at that head to head .
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Wow i remember the Acura Classic in 01 - wasn t Monica returning from Injury I remember she was playing great and beat jen and Martina in straight sets then lost a great final to Serena

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Wow i remember the Acura Classic in 01 - wasn t Monica returning from Injury I remember she was playing great and beat jen and Martina in straight sets then lost a great final to Serena
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Monica turned around her rivalry with Hingis late in her career. I believe they split the last 6 matches and Monica started having a better attitude on court. Most of the time in past matches, she showed up with no fighting spirit, didn't even grunt. But in the last few matches, she really started playing much better. I believe that if Hingis didn't quit, Monica would have started winning most of their matches. Kind of like Venus vs Davenport, where Davenport dominated early on and Venus turned it around. Monica later on in their rivalry started overpowering Hingis, attacking the serve, not chocking. She didn't have easy score losses anymore and started to have wins or close matches consistantly...
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Monica turned around her rivalry with Hingis late in her career. I believe they split the last 6 matches and Monica started having a better attitude on court. Most of the time in past matches, she showed up with no fighting spirit, didn't even grunt. But in the last few matches, she really started playing much better. I believe that if Hingis didn't quit, Monica would have started winning most of their matches. Kind of like Venus vs Davenport, where Davenport dominated early on and Venus turned it around. Monica later on in their rivalry started overpowering Hingis, attacking the serve, not chocking. She didn't have easy score losses anymore and started to have wins or close matches consistantly...
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Seles was Hingis's idol. Hingis and Seles were very good friends on the WTA tour. ANd I think they still are.

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Seles was Hingis's idol. Hingis and Seles were very good friends on the WTA tour. ANd I think they still are.

Seles and Hingis : 2 of my favorite players ever !
You are correct, I have seen pictures of little Martina with a poster of Monica on her wall... I think they are 7 years difference in age...and when Marti was about 10 or 11 she came to her hometown and they met at that time....but I liked Vancouverite's analysis of their match play!!

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martina knew how to beat monica, thats why she had so many wins over her ~ not because they were friends
Yes i agree Martina could do everything well, and anticipate so well that not even having LASER-LIKE strokes like Monica, she would just outplay her with angles, dropshots, netplay, etc...
It became at head case for Monica? Yes, at some point (i think) she though she COULD NOT compete against Martina, she entered the matches losing before a ball was being hit. But that was caused by Martina`s all around game.

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Monica turned around her rivalry with Hingis late in her career. I believe they split the last 6 matches and Monica started having a better attitude on court. Most of the time in past matches, she showed up with no fighting spirit, didn't even grunt. But in the last few matches, she really started playing much better. I believe that if Hingis didn't quit, Monica would have started winning most of their matches. Kind of like Venus vs Davenport, where Davenport dominated early on and Venus turned it around. Monica later on in their rivalry started overpowering Hingis, attacking the serve, not chocking. She didn't have easy score losses anymore and started to have wins or close matches consistantly...
Yes, I beleive they did split the last 6 matches. However I do not think Seles was getting close to evening their h2h. At US Open 02 Hingis was such a shadow of her real self it was shocking considering she beat Seles 3 times earlier in the year. If Hingis had continued playing (like she did at Oz02) then she would have won 4/5 matches with Seles IMO.
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