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Six deadly ground strokes: ranked for each player.

Take a player, and using the 'six deadly ground strokes', rank each stroke in the order of their effectiveness as a reliabile weapon. The 'Six deadly' shots are:
1. Forehand (crosscourt)
2. Forehand (DTL)
3. Inside Out forehand
4. backhand (crosscourt)
5. backhand (DTL)
6. others= slice, lob, drop-shot, volley (does not include serve)
...you can discuss any particular shot and why you ranked it the way you did.


Here's how I rank these girls:

Justine
1. Others
2. backhand crosscourt
3. inside-out forehand
4. forehand crosscourt
5. backhand DTL
6. forehand DTL
...When Justine is 'on' she executes all of these shots wonderfully to her advantage. My personal favorite shot from her is her backhand crosscourt. It's sometimes a hard shot to read because she can take it late then just whip it crosscourt. I love to watch her do that to someone at the net. I put her forehand DTL last because it seems that sometimes when she gets tight she tends to push it long a lot. It's not a weak shot from her because she can be really aggressive with that shot, but it seems like it's her shakiest shot.

Serena
1. forehand crosscourt
2. backhand crosscourt
3. backhand DTL
4. inside-out forehand
5. forehand DTL
6. others
...IMO, the best shot in tennis is Serena's forehand crosscourt. It seems to be a steady shot for her even when she's a little off and it's always a leathal shot. When she's returning serve and hits a forehand crosscourt in her strike zone say 'good night'. The thing I really like about her backhand crosscourt the most are those crazy angles she gets. She really incorporated angles into her game about 2 years ago and I love that those strokes are being used more and more as weapons.

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Steffi
1. Inside-out forehand
2. forehand DTL
3. forehand crosscourt
4. others
5. backhand crosscourt
6. backhand DTL
...I never cared for Steffi's lobs, dropshots, and volley play but I had to rank "others" high on the list because of Steffi's AWESOME backhand slice. Steffi's slice remains one of the most under rated shots in the game. Of all her shot my favorite shot has to be her inside-out forehand- talk about a "deadly" shot!

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Martina Hingis
1) Forehand inside out.
2) Backhand down the line
3) Other
4) Forehand down the line
5) Backhand crosscourt
6) Forehand crosscourt
Hingis' inside out forehand was amazing. she hit it often while she was approaching the net and used it as an approach often but most of the time it would be good enough to produce and UE or even become a winner on its own. her forehand crosscourt was always week, because she hit under it and put too much spin, theo nly time she could get a good angle on it was when she took off alot of pace and used just the spin, it was too weak.

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well i disagree with your assessment of justine. i think both her forehand shots are better than both her backhand shots.

venus
dtl backhand no doubt
corsscourt backhand
others
crosscourt forehand
inside out forehand
dtl forehand

seles
crosscourt backhand (best of all time)
dtl backhand
crosscourt forehand
dtl forehand
others shes actually got some of the best swinging volleys
inside out forehand/backhand she rarely hits it
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faboozadoo15- I'd love to see how you would rank Justine since you see it differently. I was actually thinking about switching a couple I put for her, but in the end it just felt right this way.....let's see how you would do her...

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faboozadoo15- I'd love to see how you would rank Justine since you see it differently. I was actually thinking about switching a couple I put for her, but in the end it just felt right this way.....let's see how you would do her...
ok

justine
dtl forehand
inside out forehand
crosscourt forehand
others
backhand dtl so damn awesome looking but not nearly as effective as her potent forehand going either way or how she mixes things up with her volleys and drop shots
crosscourt backhand

i really believe that justine's forehand is much much better than her backhand in just about all of her matches. she's got a well balanced attack though, for sure.
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ok

justine
dtl forehand
inside out forehand
crosscourt forehand
others
backhand dtl so damn awesome looking but not nearly as effective as her potent forehand going either way or how she mixes things up with her volleys and drop shots
crosscourt backhand

i really believe that justine's forehand is much much better than her backhand in just about all of her matches. she's got a well balanced attack though, for sure.
It's kinda funny cuz our lists are almost completly opposites. Justine hits amazing dropshots, lobs, and great defensive and offensive slices- so why did you rank her "others" so low? The thing about her case is that she has a really well balanced game so there isn't a lot more of an advantage from one shot to another- so that explains why there can be so much variation in the way we would rank those shots.

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imo, all of her forehand shots are just that much better than everything else. she dictates with is so much and makes fewer errors there than anywhere else. she doesn't do the "other" things nearly enough and they are lower percentage than when she is aggressive on her forehand. her backhand is stunning but definitely the most overrated part of her game, just like roger federer.
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Martina Hingis


1. Backhand dtl
2. Others
3. Inside-out forehand
4. Backhand cross-court
5. Forehand btl
6. Forehand cross-court


Hingis' backhand down the line was a thing of beauty and the best one of the 90's IMO. It's almost interchangeable with others, because she had amazing instincts, volleys, dropshots, angles etc. Martina's forehand is definately her weaker wing, but when she went inside-out on it she took it early and placed it amazingly well.
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Chanda Rubin (USA)

1. Forehand (DTL)
2. Inside Out forehand
3. Forehand (crosscourt)
4. others-Volley
5. backhand (crosscourt)
6. backhand (DTL)

Well pretty much any part of Chanda's forehand is lethal. But mainly her DTL shot...if any of you saw re-caps of Rubin vs. Mauresmo on Eurosport at the YEC...you'll know why she hit some amazing shots with that especially on MP...if you saw it on ESPN as well. Her volleys are really good, shes awesome at doubles of course...and her backhand's although they aren't they best they are super-consistent. I'd probably if aloud put her serve as last.
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Jelena Dokic
1] Backhand Down the Line
2] Dropshot ( nice)
3] Backhand crosscourt
4] swinging volley (off backhand)
5] Crosscourt forehand
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Elena Dementieva:

1. Forehand (crosscourt)
2. Forehand (DTL)
3. Inside Out forehand
4. backhand (DTL)
5. backhand (crosscourt)
6. others

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Nobody does the insided out forehand better than Capriati. That shot is lethal!

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Martina Hingis

1. Others
2. Backhand dtl
3. Insideout forehand
4. Backhand cross-court
5. Forehand dtl
6. Forehand cross-court

I agree with the other two people who did Martina Hingis that her weakest shot seemed to be her forehand crosscourt. It was a reliable shot, but unless she hit a sharp angle it wasn't anything too special. I think the best part of her game would be the 'others' she had really good lobs, dropshots, and could slice effectively if she needed and her volleys were always solid. That is why she was so good at doubles. I don't think her backhand dtl was the best, but I do think she used it the most effectively out of any other player.

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This is a nice thread, but I think that the best shot in womens tennis right now is the Serena Williams first serve.

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