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I didn't want to admit until now, but after Serena comes back from being off eight month and wins six straight matches to win a tournament and Venus was playing in her fourth tournament and couldn't get past the quarterfinal tells me that she is really struggling. I know she was injured at three of the four events, but I don't really see that as much of an excuse since she made the choice to take or return to the court. After her loss against Elena, it is painfully obvious that she really needs to work on her second serve and her forehand. I read somewhere that she is going to work with Billie Jean King and Zina Garrison on both of those weak points before she heads to Charleston becuase when they worked with her last year before the first round of Fed Cup and it was said that her second serve and forehand were excellent. It might not hrut her to work with free weights to get some strenght in her forearms if she isn't doing so already.

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I didn't want to admit until now, but after Serena comes back from being off eight month and wins six straight matches to win a tournament and Venus was playing in her fourth tournament and couldn't get past the quarterfinal tells me that she is really struggling. I know she was injured at three of the four events, but I don't really see that as much of an excuse since she made the choice to take or return to the court. After her loss against Elena, it is painfully obvious that she really needs to work on her second serve and her forehand. I read somewhere that she is going to work with Billie Jean King and Zina Garrison on both of those weka points before she heads to Charleston becuase when they worked with her last year before the first round of Fed Cup and it was said that her second serve and forehand were excellent. It might not hrut her to work with free weights to get some strenght in her forearms if she isn't doing so already.

Yep....really has to. She has to work so hard for her points and when you´re injured, that´s a hard thing to do....looking how Serena just could bank on her serve the whole match to help out of trouble and then Venus has her serve broken almost at will....not good.

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Venus always had technique problems with her serve and forehand. But she always played over them using smarts, determination, and mental toughness. Due to her inactivity and maybe all those losses to Serena it seems her toughness has suffered. I have noticed in the last 18 months or so, she has had trouble closing out matches. This may be due to a loss of confidence. But I see this as a good thing. Now Venus will be forced to get better there no longer is any choice.

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I think he/she is saying that I am one of those Williams fans who just blindy follow them witout saying anything negative about them, but this isn't the first time I said Venus has to work on her weak points.

BTW, because Serena was coming back from a long layoff, I really didn't think she was going to win; I thought Venus was going to win her fourth title. One thing I knew for a fact was that a Russian playing wasn't going to win.
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We all knew that no Russian was gonna win the thing.....

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Serena is luck she listened to the doctors advice and got 2 extra months of rest and practice because it has paid off. Venus just needs more practice and matches and she'll be OK. Part of the reason she has three losses is that she keeps running into people playing GREAT matches. Raymond played great, Kuznetsova played great, ED played very well off the ground although her serve sucked. Venus' biggest problem is NOT technique, it's seems to be motivation. Serena wasn't exactly sparkling this week, but she willed herself to win and got pumped up. She had the fire. Maybe Venus will regain her fire once that special seeding wears off and she is facing top players in the fourth round of a slam.
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Serena is luck she listened to the doctors advice and got 2 extra months of rest and practice because it has paid off. Venus just needs more practice and matches and she'll be OK. Part of the reason she has three losses is that she keeps running into people playing GREAT matches. Raymond played great, Kuznetsova played great, ED played very well off the ground although her serve sucked. Venus' biggest problem is NOT technique, it's seems to be motivation. Serena wasn't exactly sparkling this week, but she willed herself to win and got pumped up. She had the fire. Maybe Venus will regain her fire once that special seeding wears off and she is facing top players in the fourth round of a slam.
I disagree!

Venus' technique is what let her down and was
why she was unable to close out the match!

When you get to that point nerves start to creep in and if your
technique is off an not working you're sunk!

Serena wasn't sparkling but her service technique held her up
and helped her through as she said!

If Venus had no motivation,
she could've simply crumbled against Hantuchova when it got tight,
she could've let Zheng's low balls take her out,
or she could've let Schiavone make it more of a match!

Venus fought through and it happened for
her when she needed her game to work.

You can have all the motivation you want but, if your technique isn't their
it isn't going to make much of a difference except to say you're going to continue to try, which Venus did!

She just needs more consistency!

She may have lost to Dementieva but I could definitely see
more improvemnt in this tournament where her game is
concerned, as in getting back to the form of just even 03' Wimbledon!

Venus just needs time,
some don't seem to realize that.

Also, it isn't fair to compare her comeback to that of anyone else's
because all of them are different and get back at their own pace.

It'll be interesting to see how many Vee fans can stick out this period
and remain positive in ther support and how many will or have abandoned ship.

In ways, seems more a test for fans than for Venus.
Who's gonna leave and who's gonna stay?
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I disagree!

Venus' technique is what let her down and was
why she was unable to close out the match!

When you get to that point nerves start to creep in and if your
technique is off an not working you're sunk!

Serena wasn't sparkling but her service technique held her up
and helped her through as she said!

If Venus had no motivation,
she could've simply crumbled against Hantuchova when it got tight,
she could've let Zheng's low balls take her out,
or she could've let Schiavone make it more of a match!

Venus fought through and it happened for
her when she needed her game to work.

You can have all the motivation you want but, if your technique isn't their
it isn't going to make much of a difference except to say you're going to continue to try, which Venus did!

She just needs more consistency!

She may have lost to Dementieva but I could definitely see
more improvemnt in this tournament where her game is
concerned, as in getting back to the form of just even 03' Wimbledon!

Venus just needs time,
some don't seem to realize that.

Also, it isn't fair to compare her comeback to that of anyone else's
because all of them are different and get back at their own pace.

It'll be interesting to see how many Vee fans can stick out this period
and remain positive in ther support and how many will or have abandoned ship.

In ways, seems more a test for fans than for Venus.
Who's gonna leave and who's gonna stay?
Before I reply, I notice that you are the "Official Magician", I am the ARCH Magician so I guess that means I have rank over you. Heh Heh Heh.....

Anyway, Venus has basically had the same techniques throughout the years, but up until even as late as Wimbledon 2003, she played as errorless as any other big hitter. Sure better techniques would have helped, but she could have Serena's technique and right now it still wouldn't help her. Serena had the technique down from 2000-2001, but where did it get her?? Eventually her DESIRE to stop losing and be a champion took over and her big results came. Like Serena just said in her interview, the player with 90% desire and 10% talent will beat the player with 10% desire and 90% talent. She was nowhere near Wimbledon 2003 form in that match because at Wimbledon she was munching up people's second serves with her FOREHAND as well as her better backhand. I know V and S are sisters, but instead of being in Key Biscayne to watch Serena she could have been somewhere practicing. I don't think Serena would have been watching Venus' SF and F had she gone down in the QF and rightfully so. Of course comebacks take time, but Venus showed by going up 3-0, and 5-3 that she is now good enough to beat top ten players in her comeback, but the desire wasn't there or she wouldn't have missed 6 straight serves. Desire improves your mental toughness. Had Venus truly DESIRED to win, she would have won. Same as in a couple of her GS finals against Serena.
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she could have Serena's technique and right now it still wouldn't help her.
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Had Venus truly DESIRED to win, she would have won...
Really!

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Had Venus truly DESIRED to win, she would have won.


I've truly DESIRED to win many of things but that didn't
mean it was going to happen.


How do you know not having Serena's technique wouldn't have helped?
Used your powers to view into Vee's heart?
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Kabuke, did you read my mind or what?!

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(Knizzle) It's sad that it's implied that all Venus has to do is simply not want to lose and then suddenly everything will fall magically into place. I have to agree with everyone who is sighting her technique and confidence as two of the main issues that are hindering Venus at the moment. "Heart" is what we talk about we when we're talking about how much someone wants something and how much their willing to fight to get it. I think Venus has plenty of heart and desire. All the heart in the world wont do you any good if you don't have confidence in your shots, especially in tennis. Multiple errors due to impoper technique eats away at a players confidence so it's all inter-related. Venus is on pace, it might not be as quick as some fans would like, and it might not be the same pace as Serena, but then again they are two SEPERATE individuals who should be judged independent of one another. We haven't even explored the pshychological ramifications of how Serena's return might impact Venus, not to mention Richard's old prediction of Serena being the better player- it might not seem significant but some of the things parents say really have an affect...

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Knizz, you gotta admit it...Venus lost the match because now she can´t get away with having bad techniques anymore...not while she´s injured as well. Serena didn´t play brilliantly or anything, but she had the techniques down...her serve could be counted on, save when she had to close-out things. averaging 6/7 aces per match as a female is a nice luxury.

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