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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

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With a big fat asterisk.

From now on, it will be "Sharapova won the career Grand Slam", "Yes, but she also was banned 4 years for doping".

And it will be like that for ever.
Well, no. It won't be 4 years because it was unintentional. Max 2 years. I really don't care about your clear personal gain from this. But don't go around with the 4 years bs.

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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

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1. Maria wasn't "cheating" until January 1st of this year (so not during the FO 2014)

2. If you do not accept #1 that the legal use of PEDs isn't cheating, then at least understand that finishing runner up at an event does not mean you would have won the event had the eventual winner not been there.
No one is saying she was cheating, but as I've said before the substance hasn't changed from 10 years ago until Jan 1st 2016, only the legality has.

This is something each of us has to make a moral judgement as to whether we think we are ok with her using a PED for 10 years.

For me, and many others it's morally reprehensible, what she has been doing for the majority of her career and I am glad she got caught for using the banned substance this year, regardless of whether she read some email or not.

Some people think it is fine, that she was using a PED for 10 years, simply because it was legal, that's cool, everyone has their own views on this.

Just don't act like just because it was legal, we should all fall in line that it was absolutely fine, because morally (not legally) this is a grey area.
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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

I thought Andy Murray made an interesting point at his PC yesterday

55 Athletes, across a number of sports, have failed a drugs test for Meldonium since Jan 1st, and they all cited potential heart conditions for the use

Murray suggested this sounds suspicious, that 55 young Athletes competing at the top of world sport, all have possible heart problems (in other words....it's bullshit)
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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

Alexander Zverev Uses Meldonium With Doctor's Permission According To Croatian Drug Expert - VAVEL.com

Up and coming ATP youngster in the top 60 reported using Meldonium as well. Validity of the report isn't confirmed, but if it's the case, it can uncover that not just Pova was using meldonium in Tennis. What is a PED if everyone is using it (also can explain why many players prefer to just not comment on the situation, knowing well they could be called out on their previous use).
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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

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Well, no. It won't be 4 years because it was unintentional. Max 2 years. I really don't care about your clear personal gain from this. But don't go around with the 4 years bs.
Yet to be proven.
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... What is a PED if everyone is using it (also can explain why many players prefer to just not comment on the situation, knowing well they could be called out on their previous use).
Still a PED.
And well done for mistaking a "I want to wait and see what happens" attitude for guiltiness.

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No one is saying she was cheating, but as I've said before the substance hasn't changed from 10 years ago until Jan 1st 2016, only the legality has.

This is something each of us has to make a moral judgement as to whether we think we are ok with her using a PED for 10 years.

For me, and many others it's morally reprehensible, what she has been doing for the majority of her career and I am glad she got caught for using the banned substance this year, regardless of whether she read some email or not.

Some people think it is fine, that she was using a PED for 10 years, simply because it was legal, that's cool, everyone has their own views on this.

Just don't act like just because it was legal, we should all fall in line that it was absolutely fine, because morally (not legally) this is a grey area.
it is political, they can decide bananas are PE and be banned, why - because they can, what then

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it is political, they can decide bananas are PE and be banned, why - because they can, what then

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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

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I thought Andy Murray made an interesting point at his PC yesterday

55 Athletes, across a number of sports, have failed a drugs test for Meldonium since Jan 1st, and they all cited potential heart conditions for the use

Murray suggested this sounds suspicious, that 55 young Athletes competing at the top of world sport, all have possible heart problems (in other words....it's bullshit)
True, but why confine the analysis or commentary to this product or this condition? That tennis players in particular seem to be an unusually unhealthy lot of elite athletes (going by how many already have TUEs for other conditions) has long been a subject of some amusement. Or maybe bemusement.

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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

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Alexander Zverev Uses Meldonium With Doctor's Permission According To Croatian Drug Expert - VAVEL.com

Up and coming ATP youngster in the top 60 reported using Meldonium as well. Validity of the report isn't confirmed, but if it's the case, it can uncover that not just Pova was using meldonium in Tennis. What is a PED if everyone is using it (also can explain why many players prefer to just not comment on the situation, knowing well they could be called out on their previous use).
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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

halep fans clearly trying to get something out of this maria has suffered many losses over the past 2 years and has faced many upsets too...serena, kerber, csn, ivanovic, wozniacki, kvitova, gavrilova, giorgi, cibulkova etc etc...but NEVER to halep so halep still sucks and will always be maria's pigeon whether she's using "peds" or not
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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

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Alexander Zverev Uses Meldonium With Doctor's Permission According To Croatian Drug Expert - VAVEL.com

Up and coming ATP youngster in the top 60 reported using Meldonium as well. Validity of the report isn't confirmed, but if it's the case, it can uncover that not just Pova was using meldonium in Tennis. What is a PED if everyone is using it (also can explain why many players prefer to just not comment on the situation, knowing well they could be called out on their previous use).
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That kid is 16 years old & naive as hell.
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I am always amazed by Zverev's endurance at his age
I read on twitter that in the original article Pilic was suggesting that Zverev could make a case for using it, as he has known diabetes issues, but not that he is taking it (as noted, elsewhere, getting a TUE for this would be difficult as there are better treatments available). Also, Pilic is not a doctor.

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From online translation, he seems to say "this is a cure for diabetes, and what if for example Zverev uses it..."

But maybe someone can translate properly?
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Re: Davenport: Maria has documentation declaring use of drug.

"Documentation"
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halep fans clearly trying to get something out of this maria has suffered many losses over the past 2 years and has faced many upsets too...serena, kerber, csn, ivanovic, wozniacki, kvitova, gavrilova, giorgi, cibulkova etc etc...but NEVER to halep so halep still sucks and will always be maria's pigeon whether she's using "peds" or not
Oh please, Serena crushing Maria is NEVER an upset!
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Oh please, Serena crushing Maria is NEVER an upset!
"suffered many losses" was also included in the sentence, but what's the point in responding to someone with no reading comprehension?
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