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Venus & Serena quietly allow Indian Wells to go on without them

They're both listed for Miami, neither for IW. I'd guess this is the year that the commentators finally let it go. Venus is just another not-even-top-ten player, Serena is just another not-even-top-five player. Indian Wells won't even miss them.

Surely this is all for the best. The fans at Indian Wells made it clear they didn't want either of the Williams sisters there, and the Williams sisters certainly don't need IW. It's sort of Monica and Germany. (Writ very, VERY small, of course) I've never heard of ANY player going back to a tournament where the crowd turned on them like that. I kinda wish Venus would skip Dubai and make SURE she's healthy, then come back at Miami. Of course, playing Dubai DOES make it clear that not playing IW is a choice, but that's no reason to risk her health.

Of course, it DOES seem a bit unfair to the tournament organizers, who after all didn't orchestrate the crowd's behaviour. But from all I hear, attendance last year was near best ever. So Charlie Pasarall et al ain't hurtin'.

Really, it's a win-win-win.

Venus and Serena don't won't to be heckled by a crowd of screaming white people. History has shown that a crowd of screaming white folks can turn into a lynch mob in seconds.

The Indian Wells crowd made their feelings well known, and they won't have to see two players they clearly don't want to.

And the tournament makes money.

Fun and profit for all concerned.

Couldn't be better.

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Venus and Serena don't won't to be heckled by a crowd of screaming white people. History has shown that a crowd of screaming white folks can turn into a lynch mob in seconds.
Oh please! Then why is Serena going back to Roland Garros?

Do you really think that Indian Wells would've become a lynch mob? You're delusional! This isn't 19th century.

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Oh please! Then why is Serena going back to Roland Garros?

Do you really think that Indian Wells would've become a lynch mob? You're delusional! This isn't 19th century.
The French is a slam, and what happened there and what happened at IW are two totally different set of circumstances.

Also, IW was a lynch mob. Not in the 19th century way you mean, but to have a crowd boo you and to have people flinging racial slurs is basically a lynch mob.
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They're both listed for Miami, neither for IW. I'd guess this is the year that the commentators finally let it go. Venus is just another not-even-top-ten player, Serena is just another not-even-top-five player. Indian Wells won't even miss them.

Surely this is all for the best. The fans at Indian Wells made it clear they didn't want either of the Williams sisters there, and they certainly don't need IW. It's sort of Monica and Germany. (Writ very, VERY small, of course) I've never heard of ANY player going back to a tournament where the crowd turned on them like that. I kinda wish Venus would skip Dubai and make SURE shes healthy, then come back at Miami. Of course, playing Dubai DOES make it clear that not playing IW is a choice.

Of course, it DOES seem a bit unfair to the tournament organizers, who after all didn't orchestrate the crowd's behaviour. But from all I hear, attendance last year was near best ever. So Charlie Psarall et al ain't hurtin'.

Really, it's a win-win-win.

Venus and Serena don't won't to be heckled by a crowd of screaming white people. History has shown that a crowd of screaming white folks can turn into a lynch mob in seconds.

The Indian Wells crowd made their feelings well known, and they won't have to see two players they clearly don't want to.

And the tournament makes money.

Funa and profit for all concerned.

Couldn't be better.
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Shut the fuck up.
Why? One could say the same thing about you? At least Volcana isn't an insulting little twit.

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Why? One could say the same thing about you? At least Volcana isn't an insulting little twit.
Actually, he is. I suppose you've never disagreed with him before. Otherwise you'd know that.

Every year, Volcana starts the same fucking thread about Indian Wells. He's the only one who can't get over it and he never will.

JUST SHUT UP YOU MORON.
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Of course, it DOES seem a bit unfair to the tournament organizers, who after all didn't orchestrate the crowd's behaviour. But from all I hear, attendance last year was near best ever. So Charlie Psarall et al ain't hurtin'.
It's a bit unfair to Venus/Serena fans who go to Indian Wells, as well. Disappointing not to see them here, just because of other bone heads...







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Itīs all cool then. As long as they donīt play there.

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Itīs all cool then. As long as they donīt play there.
If they WANT to play, that's fine with me too. But if they don't, no harm done.

The crowd at Roland Garros didn't start screaming and booing as Serena walked onto the court to start the match. The RG was, rightly or wrongly, expressing it's feelings about something that had just happened right in front of them. They didn't START hostile. Tennis crowds almost never do, except in Davis Cup.

I've been watching tennis since 1968, and I've NEVER seen a non-Davis Cup crowd start howling at a player AS THEY WALKED IN TO THE STADIUM.

As for ME bringing it up every year, hey, it's fun for ME to bring it up. There have been 12 slams since then, and together, Venus and Serena have won seven of them.

'Living well is the best revenge', eh?

It's sort of like Martin Luther King getting a national holiday. (Writ very, VERY small, of course.) All his enemies can do every year is grit their teeth and feel like shit as more and more people celebrate it. In the end, even killing him didn't beat him. He's still winning, they're still losing. We get closer and closer to the world he envisioned each day.

Once we get Venus one more GS title or two, it's pretty certain both Venus and Serena will wind up in the Tennis Hall of Fame, just on singles play. Of course, Newport, Rhode Island is a long way from Indian Wells. So the Indian Wells folks may never have intended to ever visit the Tennis Hall of Fame. But if they do, they'll get to se Venus and Serena there, and remember IW's part in making it all happen.

TOTALLY cool.

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It's a bit unfair to Venus/Serena fans who go to Indian Wells, as well. Disappointing not to see them here, just because of other bone heads...
They both normally play other California tournaments. (Last year being an exception, natch.) Their fans can see them there.

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If they WANT to play, that's fine with me too. But if they don't, no harm done.

The crowd at Roland Garros didn't start screaming and booing as Serena walked onto the court to start the match. The RG was, rightly or wrongly, expressing it's feelings about something that had just happened right in front of them. They didn't START hostile. Tennis crowds almost never do, except in Davis Cup.

I've been watching tennis since 1968, and I've NEVER seen a non-Davis Cup crowd start howling at a player AS THEY WALKED IN TO THE STADIUM.

As for ME bringing it up every year, hey, it's fun for ME to bring it up. There have been 12 slams since then, and together, Venus and Serena have won seven of them.

'Living well is the best revenge', eh?

It's sort of like Martin Luther King getting a national holiday. (Writ very, VERY small, of course.) All his enemies can do every year is grit their teeth and feel like shit as more and more people celebrate it. In the end, even killing him didn't beat him. He's still winning, they're still losing. We get closer and closer to the world he envisioned each day.

Once we get Venus one more GS title or two, it's pretty certain both Venus and Serena will wind up in the Tennis Hall of Fame, just on singles play. Of course, Newport, Rhode Island is a long way from Indian Wells. So the Indian Wells folks may never have intended to ever visit the Tennis Hall of Fame. But if they do, they'll get to se Venus and Serena there, and remember IW's part in making it all happen.

TOTALLY cool.
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If Venus and Serena don't want to go Indian Wells the organisaers can't do anything about it.
But I'm sure that they rather let the Williams win it than the Belgiums taking back to Belgium but again are they going to Indian Wells?
I think the question of race is a bit nonsense. People all over world saw them as Americas rather than blacks. I maybe wrong when they play in America. But what is certain is that if you are not the local player and you played against the local fav you will get boo.
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they are two different incidents the crowd were howling at serena because of Venus' withdrawal - she didn t do anything wrong, I dont think the french heckling was to do with race it was just tension on court etc, if I were Serena and Venus I wouldn t return to IW either.

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If they WANT to play, that's fine with me too. But if they don't, no harm done.

The crowd at Roland Garros didn't start screaming and booing as Serena walked onto the court to start the match. The RG was, rightly or wrongly, expressing it's feelings about something that had just happened right in front of them. They didn't START hostile. Tennis crowds almost never do, except in Davis Cup.

I've been watching tennis since 1968, and I've NEVER seen a non-Davis Cup crowd start howling at a player AS THEY WALKED IN TO THE STADIUM.

As for ME bringing it up every year, hey, it's fun for ME to bring it up. There have been 12 slams since then, and together, Venus and Serena have won seven of them.

'Living well is the best revenge', eh?

It's sort of like Martin Luther King getting a national holiday. (Writ very, VERY small, of course.) All his enemies can do every year is grit their teeth and feel like shit as more and more people celebrate it. In the end, even killing him didn't beat him. He's still winning, they're still losing. We get closer and closer to the world he envisioned each day.

Once we get Venus one more GS title or two, it's pretty certain both Venus and Serena will wind up in the Tennis Hall of Fame, just on singles play. Of course, Newport, Rhode Island is a long way from Indian Wells. So the Indian Wells folks may never have intended to ever visit the Tennis Hall of Fame. But if they do, they'll get to se Venus and Serena there, and remember IW's part in making it all happen.

TOTALLY cool.
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IW's had a lot to do w/race. I hope they never return as well. As one of them said I'm an entertainer, if they don't want to see me play ....

Why should they put themselves through that shit. I love the way some people(usually white) will go to almost any extreme to disprove that anything racial ever happens.

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