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Who is more talented - Serena or Justine?

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Backhand, forehand, volleys, serve, etc, etc

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mental toughness?
slams won?
h2h vs each other?
h2h vs the tour?
weeks at #1?

talent is subjective, no?

for example, IMO Patty Schnyder is without a doubt the most talented player on tour. does she have a chance of matching either in achievements? chances have to be slim to none
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For someone of height, Justine's overachieved in her career. So I think she's more talent.

I define "talent" as been related to size/physical strength. Because let's face it, tennis is a VERY physical sport. IMO, someone like Davenport/Venus should achieve a lot more than say Hingis/Justine because they're taller, has longer reach, stronger, etc...

The fact that Justine has 3 slams in the last year means she's taken her physical limitations out of the equation and used her talent to make an excellent career for herself. She doesn't look that strong either.

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I agree with you, SJW!
Talent is such a subjective thing!
That's why I don't like this who's more talanted polls, was a little sick of them on Mens Forum!

But I voted for Justine, of course!

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so is Justine more talented than Steffi Graf, Martina Nav, Chris Evert, Martina Hingis??

i would have to say no

tennis has to be the only sport where "talent" doesn't mean "being the best"

after all...there is no way in hell that Liverpool are more talented than Manchester United, and Manchester United are more talented than Real Madrid etc
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Can we NOT go there with other sports. It's too confusing. lol

I think it all comes back down to the definition of "talent". But I think more people will PERCEIVE Justine is more talented than Serena because she's smaller, she has more variety in her game etc... Serena with her height and strength is born with physical advantages and people will assume (rightly or wrongly) that that is why she wins.

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talent is very subjective...

Serena is the talented one on the physical parts of the game
Justine is the talented one in the game.. she's born to play tennis..while Serena probably could succeed at other sports too because of her physical talents..
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Can we NOT go there with other sports. It's too confusing. lol

I think it all comes back down to the definition of "talent". But I think more people will PERCEIVE Justine is more talented than Serena because she's smaller, she has more variety in her game etc... Serena with her height and strength is born with physical advantages and people will assume (rightly or wrongly) that that is why she wins.
see what i mean? this whole thread is confusing Linsdsay is taller than Serena...weighs more. but apparently that's not the same. there's (to the nearest inch) 4 between Justine and Serena and 4 between Serena and Lindsay. let's go back say, 3 or 4 years. would people have called Serena more talented?

like i said, tennis is the only game that i can think of where being more talented doesn't go with being the best.
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talent is very subjective...

Serena is the talented one on the physical parts of the game
Justine is the talented one in the game.. she's born to play tennis..while Serena probably could succeed at other sports too because of her physical talents..
hehe it's my day to pick at posts so don't take it personally

so say you took a degree in something where you've only got one career path
and somebody else took a degree (like business or law) which means they could do more things

how would that make you more talented?

doesn't having the ability to succeed in more things than other people make you more talented? if not, why not?
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see what i mean? this whole thread is confusing Linsdsay is taller than Serena...weighs more. but apparently that's not the same. there's (to the nearest inch) 4 between Justine and Serena and 4 between Serena and Lindsay. let's go back say, 3 or 4 years. would people have called Serena more talented?

like i said, tennis is the only game that i can think of where being more talented doesn't go with being the best.
Serena has ALWAYS been more talented than Lindsay. I remember back in 98(?) I saw them two play a match in Sydney. Lindsay led 6-1 5-1 and then lost the match. Serena was still a teenager then. Yes, even then she looked physically imposing, BUT in her case, you could REALLY see the inexperience. I.e. using wrong shots at wrong times, etc.. but somehow she pulled through. That's TALENT too.

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hehe it's my day to pick at posts so don't take it personally

so say you took a degree in something where you've only got one career path
and somebody else took a degree (like business or law) which means they could do more things

how would that make you more talented?

doesn't having the ability to succeed in more things than other people make you more talented? if not, why not?
you're just using the fact that talent is subjective

Serena has a talent that she can use for different purposes (in this case sports)
Justine's talent is more specific: tennis. The wider variety, to be able to play many different ways, to use lots of differents shots, the 'touch' at the net.

When both use their talents in tennis, they compensate eachother
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you're just using the fact that talent is subjective

Serena has a talent that she can use for different purposes (in this case sports)
Justine's talent is more specific: tennis. The wider variety, to be able to play many different ways, to use lots of differents shots, the 'touch' at the net.

When both use their talents in tennis, they compensate eachother

This is so unfair. It's obvious isn't it? There's on one answer,
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She's the best!
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I voted equal. And i Mean it.
Serena is obviously very talented but Justine is too. In fact I don't think their talent is that different. Both are quick, both have great groundstrokes, the only difference is maybe that Serena is more athletic (faster, higher, more powerfull) wereas Justine has a bit more feeling for playin dropshots and volley's I think. ALTHOUGH! Justine is not a natural volleyer either. She is training them consantly. She trains a lot on all of her strokes, except her backhand. I think Justine is someone who trains VERY intensely, so I don't think it all comes down to natural talent in her case. Serena (she has said this herself, not trying to diss her) trains less, I think, and still seems to be the best 'with ease' (untill now ? ...). Does this mean Serena is more talented? maybe! . I'm confusing myself. I'm glad I voted equal

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