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"The Truth About Patty": analysis-update

for those who are interested in the Patty Schnyder story, some analysis of latest developments -

Patty Schnyder's performance in the last Australian Open was a big victory for her 35-year old German husband Rainer Hofmann and a step forward for him in his "societal ambitions", however it also was a victory that was coming at a certain price. Because for the first time since Hofmann's "reign" began, some of the major media outlets mentioned Hofmann and his criminal background in their write-ups following the quarterfinal match of Patty defeating Lisa Raymond. Although the dis-informational smoke-screen of the now five-year-old "Harnecker affair" still had the lead billing in all articles about Patty, last week was the first time that any major English language newspaper made note of the rise of Rainer Hofmann and his dominant, mysterious, yet almost wholely ignored role in Patty Schnyder's story during the last five years.

Hofmann's propaganda machine seems to be operating smoothly at the moment. The Swiss "Blick" tabloid is supporting him as always as a "mythical" figure, he is in a state of "detente" with Tages-Anzeiger, and he has hired a well known Eurosport commentator to manage media relations and write for his patty-schnyder.ch website. With Patty's tennis fortunes on a high and positive fan interest and money flowing in, it is looking like a "sweetheart deal" for all invloved. Traffic is also up at the English language patty-schnyder.com site, and while the operators of that site could not really be accused of creating open propaganda for Rainer Hofmann, they are however being careful to leave out any news items from their archives, whether Swiss or international, which are containing any mention about Rainer Hofmann's criminal or prior marriage history. On the other hand several blatantly irrelevant articles about Patty Schnyder's pre-Hofmann personal life dating from 1999, relating back to the "Harnecker affair", are conspiciously included in the patty-schnyder.com archive, serving dis-information purposes. It's not really propaganda but the schnyder.com admins clearly have their biass in favor of the official Rainer Hofmann line of "Rainer and Patty are so happy together and everything is wonderful" etc, in order to deflect the asking of uncomfortable questions.

Patty Schnyder has now shown that she can, at least in short-term, play her tennis quite well with a man (whom I and some other informed observers strongly believe) is a spectacularly corrupt, egomaniacal, psychopathic liar, in control of her career and life. But regarrdless of what happens on the tennis court, the larger story of Patty Schnyder, Rainer Hofmann, and associated characters is a story that could transcend the sport of tennis, a disturbing and scarcely believable story of real-life psychological abduction, with an as-yet un-determined conclusion, that is potentially far bigger and immortal than any Grand Slam title.
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OK, sf, a little reality please:

1) The article LINK in the Sydney Morning Herald (and its sister paper, The Age) was "mild" in that it focused too much on Harnecker and lacked probing followup questions to PP's "topspin replies". Yet just the fact that some of the WTA's dirty laundry was aired in Oz is useful.

2) Re. the .com site: its easy 4U to question the motives of the couple who own that (as part of a family of player sites, of which Justine's not surprisingly gets by far the most hits.

(Shameless plug For Fingon: http://www.justine-henin-hardenne.net). The first "official status" was a coup, Rainer DOES NOT control their Schnyder Site, look @ the guestbook B4 making accusations, please!

3) While you're correct about Blick, the reason Tages is silent is That There's Nothing New to report now.

4) If you bothered to follow tennis, you'd realize that her draw in the "Attrition Open" was "soft". (On Rebound Ace, Lisa Literally had to jump to hit some of PP's kick serves).

5) The (sometime) Eurosport guy will do Rainer little good, for reasons I can't divulge now. (Oooh, Griff, you heard me coming)!
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Just out of interest, why do so many people get so worked up about this girls private life?

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Just out of interest, why do so many people get so worked up about this girls private life?
Jon, I couldn't give a FF about that. The Peppermint Patsy (TM) is a Mere Metaphor re. the failure of The Tour To enforce its own rules (one of which gave them a slamdunk reason to make her choose between Rainer and the game after his felony conviction, excuse me, guilty plea in Nov. '02.
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I wasnt accusing anyone...I always steer clear of the Patty threads cos I'm not familiar with the whole story and cant be bothered to go and find out about it. To me the girl seems happy, no matter how unorthodox her lifestyle/choice of partner/relationship with family/whatever else people like to have an opinion about; I just think its a pity she gets so much criticism. But, as I said, I dont really know much about the whole palaver

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I wasnt accusing anyone...I always steer clear of the Patty threads cos I'm not familiar with the whole story and cant be bothered to go and find out about it....
No offence taken, but the very fact That "The Patty threads" Is Indicative of a tennis version of The Twilight Zone tells you that "something ain't right".
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Last I checked, Patty Schnyder is an adult. SHE is 'in control of her career and life'. If she chooses to take advice from her husband aboiut her life and career, how is that different from Justine Henin-Hardenne, Lindsay Davenport of Meghann Shaughnessy.

Patty Schnyder is NOT a child. It's well past time people stopped treating her like one.

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The difference, Volcana, is your complete ignorance of Patty Schnyder's true situation in relation with the others you noted.
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sf, as one who basically agrees with you re. the substance of this situation: lay off the personal attacks if you want ppl to listen, OK?

Volcana, here's where things are different:

PP voluntarily submitting to the Complete Control of orange juice guru Harnecker proves her vulnerability to older male exploiters. (Sylvia Plischke left Harnecker on her own, BTW).

Hofmann was retained by Patty's Parents to "free her". While she (already a young adult in '99) had every right to Refuse Reconciliation with them if she so chose, it was a blatant conflict of interest for Hofmann to literally become "Rainer II".

Though his guilty plea in the Deutsche Telekom case wasn't until Nov. '02, it was For Fraud committed between '95 and '98. Had the Schnyders had any idea That The "detective" was Actually A conman, they wouldn't have retained him, and he'd never have even known his Peppermint Puppet.
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who are we to judge her?
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who are we to judge her?
James, to me its about The Tour's failure to enforce its own rules:

(b) A player shall not associate with or have dealings with persons whose activities, including gambling, reflect adversely upon the integrity of the game of tennis; nor shall a player bet money or anything else of value on a formal tennis competition in which she is a competitor.

(Top of page 247 in the '04 rulebook, 4.5.1(b) deals mainly with gambling, except that the (underlined by me) word "including" certainly means "not limited to".
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PP voluntarily submitting to the Complete Control of orange juice guru Harnecker proves her vulnerability to older male exploiters. (Sylvia Plischke left Harnecker on her own, BTW).

Hofmann was retained by Patty's Parents to "free her". While she (already a young adult in '99) had every right to Refuse Reconciliation with them if she so chose, it was a blatant conflict of interest for Hofmann to literally become "Rainer II".
Roger out of interest when did Patty get involved with Rainer Harnecker? You mention 1999 here. All I know is in 1998 Patty won 5 or 6 titles, got to the French QFs and took a set off eventual champion Arantxa, played a great Grand Slam Cup and people were talking about a possible Swiss number 1 and 2 in the world (we got the Williams 1-2 and the Belgian 1-2 in the world, but I do remember people were saying a Swiss 1-2 was possible). Was Harnecker and his OJ diet around at that time? Can he take any credit for Patty's rise or did he turn up in 1999. Because Patty has never fulfilled her potential since 1998 IMO. She is a talented girl and despite what is happening off court can still beat anyone on her day, hence her top 20 status the last few years, but even if she is happy with Rainer II, were her results actually better with Rainer I or was getting involved with Rainer I the beginning of her fall down the rankings? Rainer I gets a bad press, it would just be interesting to know if he was involved in her great 1998 or did he come after?


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James, to me its about The Tour's failure to enforce its own rules:

(b) A player shall not associate with or have dealings with persons whose activities, including gambling, reflect adversely upon the integrity of the game of tennis; nor shall a player bet money or anything else of value on a formal tennis competition in which she is a competitor.

(Top of page 247 in the '04 rulebook, 4.5.1(b) deals mainly with gambling, except that the (underlined by me) word "including" certainly means "not limited to".
its ok, my comment wasnt aimed at u

u make very good points by the way
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Roger out of interest when did Patty get involved with Rainer Harnecker? You mention 1999 here. All I know is in 1998 Patty won 5 or 6 titles, got to the French QFs and took a set off eventual champion Arantxa, played a great Grand Slam Cup and people were talking about a possible Swiss number 1 and 2 in the world (we got the Williams 1-2 and the Belgian 1-2 in the world, but I do remember people were saying a Swiss 1-2 was possible). Was Harnecker and his OJ diet around at that time? Can he take any credit for Patty's rise or did he turn up in 1999. Because Patty has never fulfilled her potential since 1998 IMO. She is a talented girl and despite what is happening off court can still beat anyone on her day, hence her top 20 status the last few years, but even if she is happy with Rainer II, were her results actually better with Rainer I or was getting involved with Rainer I the beginning of her fall down the rankings? Rainer I gets a bad press, it would just be interesting to know if he was involved in her great 1998 or did he come after?
First, thanks James, no offence was taken. Now Raquel, I guess the origins here aren't discussed much After All. So:

PP was coached by Vito Gugolz of SUI when she won 5 titles @ age 19 and was the (Corel) WTA Newcomer of the Year in '98. She met Harnecker, a GER national, during the season. By year end, they were inseperable. (She Could Consume only water and orange juice B4 2PM).

@ first, the Peppermint Parents dealt with a reputable cult specialist, Hugo Stamm (who now writes about cults full-time for Zurich's Tages-Anzeiger). But PP has always been stubborn, and wasn't so easily rescued. They Then contacted a parents self-help group staffed by volunteers "in the same boat" (or who had been).

Not having the resources to screen the unregulated profession of deprogrammers, said group had been fooled by Hofmann much the way Deutsche Telekom had been earlier. And 2B fair, he DID "get the goods on Harnecker" re. bogus cancer treatments, for which "Rainer I" was prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license.

But Rainer II wasn't all that interested in What Willy Schnyder could pay him for nailing Rainer I. PP was only 20 as the '99 season drew to a close, with the prospect of many titles, even a few Slams. A far more lucrative Prospective Payment. The rest is largely in These Threads:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=58280

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=64724

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=74754

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=79977
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