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Brad Gilbert: 'Henin-Hardenne doesn't suck, but...'

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23jan04

RESPECTED coach Brad Gilbert says women's world No. 1 Justine Henin-Hardenne could not beat the 1000th best man.

Gilbert, former coach of Andre Agassi and current mentor to Andy Roddick, said the women didn't have the physical attributes to trouble the male players.
"There's well over 1000 guys -- more -- who could beat her," Gilbert said.

"Justine Henin is a good little player, but she's about 5ft 5in (165cm) and about 125lb (57kg). She couldn't come close to beating one guy in the draw," he said.

Asked if Henin-Hardenne could take a game off world No. 1 Roddick, Gilbert said: "It's possible. She could hold serve."

Gilbert, who worked with Agassi for eight years, said the superstar veteran would be an extremely tough proposition for Henin-Hardenne.

"Andre's a good groundstroker. Andre would smoke her into submission," Gilbert said.

Gilbert, a former top-10 player, gave his opinions on sports radio station SEN when questioned about the strength of the women's game compared with the men's.

When contacted by the Herald Sun last night, Gilbert said he was reluctant to comment further on the women.

"I'm going to stick to the men's," Gilbert said.

"I got asked straight up, 'How many guys could she beat?' and it put me in a bad position. I wasn't quite thinking.

"They asked me and I said there's probably 1000 guys who could beat her. But that's not taking anything away from her that she's not a great player.

"I don't think she could beat anybody in the draw here, but that doesn't mean anything."

For the record, the 1000th-ranked player in the world is Italian 22-year-old Matteo Galli, who has career prizemoney of $2000.

Henin-Hardenne, 21, has earned almost $10 million.

Gilbert said it was like comparing women's basketball to men's basketball.

"To me, the women tennis players are the pre-eminent athletes in the world," he said.

"Serena (Williams) is an amazing player, but that doesn't mean she can go and beat guys. That's not really an indication or not that they deserve equal prizemoney or not . . . or anything else.

"There's just physical abilities involved. I think the women are great."

Gilbert said the last thing he wanted was to say the women's game "wasn't any good".

"I think the women's game has improved more, per say, over the last 20 years than the men's game," Gilbert said.

"But women's tennis is women's tennis . . . it's hard to compare."

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fail to find where he says that she sux... would you care to point?

also, wasn't it said about all women tennis players in general, not just JHH... why did you need such a misleading name of the topic?

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Wait a second, who did patty beat last year? What was his ranking?

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You should not start a thread with a title like Brad Gilbert: Henin-Hardenne sucks when he doesn't even say "Henin-Hardenne sucks"!

He's right. Men's tennis, women's tennis. It's hard to compare!
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"They asked me and I said there's probably 1000 guys who could beat her. But that's not taking anything away from her that she's not a great player. "

My English is so-so... yours definitely sux.

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Idd Bram there's no comparation!

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Face it the men are better. Its true but so what? He is right comparing it to women's basketball and mens basketball.

So What I want to know is how you all feel if our sport suddenly produced a Michelle Wie who can actually compete with the men? Should she only play wta events or should she be allowed to compete on the atp?

We have no such woman yet but maybe one day? In my mind a woman who could compete competively with the men would completely dominate the wta field more so than nav everett steff or monica.

will it ever happen?

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Is this a wind up? Is this a real article?

Brad Gilbert is the biggest Jackass in the world if this article is even half true.
WTF? Nobody can beat Andre in the WTA? No Kidding, idiot! I thought this
type of crappy baiting was done with. No female tennis player I can
name in the past 10 years has ever said they can beat a male player.

Brad Gilbert and Roddick deserve each other. Thank God..I don't live
in the USA anymore. This is just rubbish.
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The men are bigger and stronger and would thus win, but they are also better players in my opinion. Watching some of these rallies is amazing!! That Blake/Escude (i.e. not top 10 players right now) highlight reel was very entertaining! They had 1 point with about 6 amazing gets. The consistency is incredible.

I used to love the women's game more - and still love the personalities - but the men's game is much higher in terms of quality of play.

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The name of the topic pissed me off more than the article itself. So don't put words into people's mouths.
I don't understand why compare women to men. They are totally differently built emotionally and physically. Although the 1000th ranked man 'could' 'beat JHH' he is not (by far) a better tennis player. That is what Gilbert did not mention. I did not like his 'she could hold serve' comment' as if Roddick is the alpha and the omega of tennis *rolls eyes*
I find it Funny how tennis is the only sport that pits men and the women (you could just maybe include golf). In speed skating, swimming, track...no one bothers starting such pointless conversations. What do we gain by asking such questions?
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The men are bigger and stronger and would thus win, but they are also better players in my opinion. Watching some of these rallies is amazing!! That Blake/Escude (i.e. not top 10 players right now) highlight reel was very entertaining! They had 1 point with about 6 amazing gets. The consistency is incredible.

I used to love the women's game more - and still love the personalities - but the men's game is much higher in terms of quality of play.
This is true. So if you are a tennis fan and care about the sport and the quality of play why focus on womens tennis at all when the tennis played by the men is more exciting, more competitive and of a higher quality? Why shouldn't espn show men's tennis more than women's if its all around better?

I'm playing devils advocate.

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Men -vs- Women. It's just crappy logic. This is what's wrong with tennis.
Instead of being whiny, bratty, selfish about prize money- they should
bond together and realize that tennis is single sport. Tennis is competing
with other local, national and international sports for exposure etc..
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This is true. So if you are a tennis fan and care about the sport and the quality of play why focus on womens tennis at all when the tennis played by the men is more exciting, more competitive and of a higher quality? Why shouldn't espn show men's tennis more than women's if its all around better?

I'm playing devils advocate.

Well...are male actors better than female actors?
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The men are bigger and stronger and would thus win, but they are also better players in my opinion. Watching some of these rallies is amazing!! That Blake/Escude (i.e. not top 10 players right now) highlight reel was very entertaining! They had 1 point with about 6 amazing gets. The consistency is incredible.

I used to love the women's game more - and still love the personalities - but the men's game is much higher in terms of quality of play.
I think we are fed so much No.1 vs. No.345 that we forget that No.30 vs. No.35 could be, by far, more fun to watch. I also think that the hight no. of UFE comes from women's natural biological emotional sensitivity. I have, for example, never seen a man pull an Amelie or Hantuchova.
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Bovinasboyfriend - What do you mean you've never seen a man pull an Amelie or Hantuchova?? Rios and Safin are famous headcases - and tankers. Is that what you meant?

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