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Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

I know Martina/Pam have more majors, but their W/L record is unparalleled and I don't think they've lost an ITF match ever (Fed Cup/Olympics).

Are they the GOATs?

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Re: Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

No I would still go with Martina and Pam. And Gigi and Natasha too.

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Won 24 straight sets in finals

18 straight finals

102-8 w/l in majors

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No. Let's end this right now. They don't play enough and don't have the numbers. If they did from the start of their careers than yes, but I'm sorry...u r not gonna put part time doubles players against players like Navratilova and Shriver who year in and out played doubles.

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Re: Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

Let's just say they are the best part time Doubles players ever.

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No but they are definitely the Golden Girls when it comes to the Olympics

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Yes, the are one of the best of all time.


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Question was "the best" not "the most accomplished"! So a big YESSS!
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Re: Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

we held the discussion prior the OG - we are in probably the weakest doubles field ever.
the gold medal match was very entertaining, and there are quite alot of good teams, but not enough brilliant single players (e.g, top10 players) are consistently playing the tour, thus allowing the "top" teams to be rather weak in comparsion to the 80s and 90s.

i would say that my beloved Graf is one of the trend setters of this sad decline in doubles history.

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No. Let's end this right now. They don't play enough and don't have the numbers. If they did from the start of their careers than yes, but I'm sorry...u r not gonna put part time doubles players against players like Navratilova and Shriver who year in and out played doubles.
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Re: Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

I think it's hard to say because what Nav did was play singles and doubles. What both of the sisters do well also. They still have an active career. It's so hard to answer these questions when a career is still fully active. The sisters want to play rio. That's 16 more slams till then. With that expectation I say every hang up the "greatest" comments till then and then let's have a discussion!

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Re: Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

Yes...doubles is a team sport. The sisters don't lose often, but they are challenged pretty regularly by teams who don't necessarily have star power in singles. To carry the win percentage and number of majors they have without playing regularly is insane. No other doubles team in history could do that.
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Re: Is Williams/Williams the Best Doubles Team of All-Time?

I'm not sure if the lack of top ten singles players regularly playing doubles necessarily makes today's field a weak field. The women who play today are often dubbed doubles "specialists," which is telling in a way. Think about Stosur. She improved quite a lot in singles once she started to focus less on doubles. That was a deliberate move on her part and it worked well for her. Looking at how the Czech team played in the Wimbledon and Olympic finals, I really think that if they focused/had focused more on singles they could have possibly reached the top 20...though it's hard to say for sure and given their inconsistency in singles, maybe they wouldn't have been solid top 20 players.

Anyway, I don't want that comment to detract from some of the sisters big wins. They beaten doubles specialist teams, they've beaten teams made up of one doubles specialist and one top 10 singles player and teams of top singles players too.

I think the perceived "weakness" in today's doubles game is part of the overall decline tennis players who put in performances consistent enough to keep them at the top of the game week in, week out. There may be some truth to the argument but it's not a black and white issue.

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