That wasn't exactly the truth now, was it fleem. You should tell the whole story - but you can not be expected to incriminate yourself, of course. So I'll tell the story for you, shall I? Here is the version of a dickhead:
What fleem has been doing the last months is
- attacking Kim - not her game, mind, but her character, suggesting Kim is a total fake, that she's only nice when there is press around. She did it first in GM (where we let her) - but then she came in a feel good thread in the CCL where a non-Kimfan was testifying how nice Kim was (she had seen Kim) and repeated her suggestions: "yes but Kim wasn't that nice to me - there must have been press around?"
What would happen if somebody did the same here with Justine, I wonder? Entering a feel good thread, and then saying: but she is such a cheat, isn't she. No
dickhead Kim fan would ever dream of doing such a thing.
So I (among others - but my reaction was the strongest, I suppose) told her off. I think I did so in good humor. I did NOT give her a bad rep - I only told her what I thought of her post.
For doing so, SHE gave me a bad rep. "Oh - it's only my opinion blah blah."
On her own she succeeded in ruining a feel good thread, were Kim fans were celebrating Kim - and for what? Just for the fun of it, it would seem.
- weeks passed. Kim became the #1 of the world. Somebody (a Venus fan!) started a congrats thread in GM. fleemke was the 6th (!!!) person to enter. She wrote a very provocative "congratulation" (even Justine fans have called it provocative) although later she would claim it was only "ironic". Anyway: on her own she succeeded in ruining a feel good thread - again. She never apologized either, instead (can you guess what's coming?) she gave a bad rep to (at least one) Kim fan for reacting to her post. (Not me this time - I guess I was lucky).
So this is fleem like we dickheads have come to know her: ruining things for Kim fans just for the fun of it, then acting as if SHE is wronged, then giving out bad reps (while she should have been the one to get them, no?)
So now the Kim fans who know about this are very wary when she appears. Luckily, she doesn't come in our Lounge anymore - so far so good.
But she couldn't stay away after Kim's painful loss, could she? No - not fleem. A lot of us (including me) were staying away from GM, not wanting to confront other fans, and certainly not those who have been known to gloat... like fleem. But she can't leave well enough alone. She enters, in the thread were we are discussing if Kim choked or not. She says she enters "quietly"... but with such a blatant sig, freshly adapted, her appearance can barely be called "quietly". She then speaks her words of wisdom.
Nothing wrong with the words themselves.
Like there is nothing wrong with the sweets a pedophile gives to children, really.
The simple fact that she came there, at that moment, was enough. It pained me to see her there. Has there ever been a hostile Kim fan who entered here after Justine lost to Kim? If not, you cannot know the feeling.
(But I did see a fan here say he "hated Kim's smile" after Justine lost to Kim in Antwerp. Imagine a Kim fan then enters and says - I'll graciously ignore your remarks about Kim, but here is what I think is wrong...")
It was I who responded first, not Hagar, and I kept my post as short as possible. I asked her to leave quietly, using the same "irony" she says she is so fond of.
She does NOT leave, though - why should she? Instead she begins arguing, making it worse. Hagar intervenes, saying that she felt exactly the same way finding fleem there. Then another fan says it's at least remarkable that fleem shows up "now". We dickheads agree: it can barely be called coincidence. Fleem in the mean time begins to
So our mod - who knows fleem very well and is probably a dickhead herself - deletes her posts and asks her never to come in our quite little corner anymore.
BTW: majo did NOT defend you.
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Fleem - I think it's really low of you to call Hagar "a frustrated old woman" here... but it's exactly the kind of behaviour I have come to expect from you. If you think you can get away with it you'll speak ill of anyone behind their back, won't you? That at least is my experience with you.
You are OR a very sneaky kind of person, OR so self-centered that you cannot imagine other people's feelings, OR not very bright and therefore unsensitive.
If there is another possibility, please let me know.
For "a fan of Justine (that doesn't hate Kim at all)"
you have said about the most hateful things about Kim I can imagine - attacking the very thing we love her for.
"Well now they are attacking Per4Ever again bacause he came AFTER me I didn't ask him to go there!"
I made my peace with per4ever; we found a middle ground. (To find a middle ground one must be prepared to look for it.) He repeats he thinks your "congratulation" was provocative.
ALL conflicts I have mentioned here you could have ended very swiftly: by leaving well enough alone. You couldn't. You only made things worse by saying we dickheads were to dumb to get you "irony".
Well, this is the story as seen by one of those dickheads.
It is the simple truth from my point of view.